Death wobble
Road Master
Joined: Sep 2009
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From: Goldsboro, NC
I ride alone as well as in small and large groups, and I never try to ride or keep pace with someone trying to run 70 in 50 MPH curve. Some guys do it, i'm a 5 MPH over the speed limit kind of guy. I enjoy the ride and want to see whats out there around me. Never came close to losing one in the curve and hope I never will. I will always ride my own pace and they can go around me. I will catch them at the next stop. No problem!!!
Last edited by djaudette; Mar 10, 2012 at 06:38 AM. Reason: spelling
Road Warrior
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: Northern Illinois
70 on a 50 mph curve is not what I would call even close to hot. Remember, the highway department has to consider 80 year old ladies driving their PT Cruisers when developing the guidelines for posted curve mph!
My 2002 RK had the wobbles, and I finally broke down and installed a True Track. It was 90% better after install, a dramatic improvement. I highly recommend TT for pre 2009 touring framed bikes.
My 2002 RK had the wobbles, and I finally broke down and installed a True Track. It was 90% better after install, a dramatic improvement. I highly recommend TT for pre 2009 touring framed bikes.
Last edited by dswansbiker; Mar 10, 2012 at 09:11 AM.
What do you call this? If this became a recurring problem with my bike it would be time to sell it and ride something else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmw6Q...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmw6Q...eature=related
Road Warrior
Joined: Jan 2012
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From: Delaware
That video is pretty convincing. Although he's pushing it pretty hard, it's still something to consider.
I never had anything like that happen, but I wanted a firmer ride, so I just installed my Throttle-Up stabilizer this afternoon (EASY install done in about a half hour) and took the bike for a short ride through the country roads. I'm not going to say anything too strong yet as I don't think I have enough time in with it to qualify, but it's made an improvement. After tomorrow I'll elaborate.
I never had anything like that happen, but I wanted a firmer ride, so I just installed my Throttle-Up stabilizer this afternoon (EASY install done in about a half hour) and took the bike for a short ride through the country roads. I'm not going to say anything too strong yet as I don't think I have enough time in with it to qualify, but it's made an improvement. After tomorrow I'll elaborate.
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From: So Cal The Golden State
You're plainly not an engineer! Next time you see ANY Buell, or a rubber mount Sportster, take a close look. You will find they both have three stabilizers, one up front, like a Touring bike, another at the heads and a third behind the trans.
Stabilizers are a FACT and a True-Track kit provides US with an extra one of these wonderful things! Time you tried a bike with one fitted. And don't confuse it with any of the other dozen or so products that claim to do the same by other means.
I am not connected with True-Track in any way, but I am a professional engineer, Harley rider for over thirty years and customer of TT for five of those.
Stabilizers are a FACT and a True-Track kit provides US with an extra one of these wonderful things! Time you tried a bike with one fitted. And don't confuse it with any of the other dozen or so products that claim to do the same by other means.
I am not connected with True-Track in any way, but I am a professional engineer, Harley rider for over thirty years and customer of TT for five of those.
Your or my vocation/credentials has no bearing on this discusion, so knock the spitting match and get to the point. The only thing you are is an arm chair quarterback as far as I am concerned.
There is no substitution for experience, there is no substitution for using your head, there is no substitution for riding with in your and machines limits. The only thing a any of these bolt ladder braces do including the one you always pimp is potentially put in experience riders at risk. Nothing but a placebo. You or the manufacturers can not offer any quanitative data. Period!!
Below is the best Trutrak can offer? This is off off their web site that leads you a bunch of their youtube videos. What is so ingnorant is all of these are all subjective comments and you Mr engineer don't see it. Mr engineer where is the data!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_rzW...Ufp4hhJwInPtQ=
Now as I mentioned I don't use these because I don't need them.
Tourer
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 305
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From: NH
I'm running a true trak on my 07 because that wobble is real. Tire pressure, suspension, these things help but it's still inherent in the frame.A person could ride 100,000 miles and not experience the Bagger wobble cause you do have to be pushing into it real aggressively but it will happen. I can't speak for the new frame but the old frames can bite you.
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From: So Cal The Golden State
What do you call this? If this became a recurring problem with my bike it would be time to sell it and ride something else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmw6Q...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmw6Q...eature=related
I am sure you have seen a race, I have seen that on a race prepared bike. And truthfully you probaly have eperienced this. But by your signature you know how to react.
Tourer
Joined: Jun 2011
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From: NH
And I agree you should ride within your and your bikes limits
I have always liked ridin hard so when I bought a new bike in 07 of course I had to find out where the limit was. That kind of riding ain't for everyone but wtf I like skydiving too. Probably not the smartest thing in the world either.
I have always liked ridin hard so when I bought a new bike in 07 of course I had to find out where the limit was. That kind of riding ain't for everyone but wtf I like skydiving too. Probably not the smartest thing in the world either.
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From: earth
Your or my vocation/credentials has no bearing on this discusion, so knock the spitting match and get to the point. The only thing you are is an arm chair quarterback as far as I am concerned.
There is no substitution for experience, there is no substitution for using your head, there is no substitution for riding with in your and machines limits. The only thing a any of these bolt ladder braces do including the one you always pimp is potentially put in experience riders at risk. Nothing but a placebo. You or the manufacturers can not offer any quanitative data. Period!!
Below is the best Trutrak can offer? This is off off their web site that leads you a bunch of their youtube videos. What is so ingnorant is all of these are all subjective comments and you Mr engineer don't see it. Mr engineer where is the data!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_rzW...Ufp4hhJwInPtQ=
Now as I mentioned I don't use these because I don't need them.
There is no substitution for experience, there is no substitution for using your head, there is no substitution for riding with in your and machines limits. The only thing a any of these bolt ladder braces do including the one you always pimp is potentially put in experience riders at risk. Nothing but a placebo. You or the manufacturers can not offer any quanitative data. Period!!
Below is the best Trutrak can offer? This is off off their web site that leads you a bunch of their youtube videos. What is so ingnorant is all of these are all subjective comments and you Mr engineer don't see it. Mr engineer where is the data!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_rzW...Ufp4hhJwInPtQ=
Now as I mentioned I don't use these because I don't need them.
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Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,364
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From: So Cal The Golden State
I'll have to disagree and say that a firm understanding of the mechanical design and the dynamic forces acting on the Harley touring chassis during operation is highly relevant to the discussion. You keep asking for data for these stabilizer devices but you also have not provided any data to support your placebo claim, only your subjective comments and opinion based on your experience, so you haven't proved anything either. You're wrong and anyone reading this who has used a stabilized device' knows you're wrong. Personally I'm done wasting any more energy discussing this with you because you have not used any of these devices and you have absolutely no frame of reference for your claims. No matter how loudly you say it or how many times you say it, won't make it true.