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Old Aug 23, 2014 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bwoltz
I thing it is more than just stiction.. I suspect that the steel plate in the rubber bushing becomes a thrust surface to keep the swing arm from sliding back an forth on the bushing.. Still it does not seem very robust..


... Not on this one, there's is a gap of about 1 mm on both sides between the swing arm and the bushing plate where the Sta-Bo sticks out.

That's where I was thinking it should be shimmed.

I'll take a picture once it's all assembled again.

I had similar before with another make of bike and lucked out just to find a big washer that fitted. Made a big different. Trouble is this time round I'd need one with a hole the same as the inside diameter of the swing arm.

Found this which clearly shows the FXR cross brace.

 

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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Dun Roamin
... Not on this one, there's is a gap of about 1 mm on both sides between the swing arm and the bushing plate where the Sta-Bo sticks out.

That's where I was thinking it should be shimmed.

I'll take a picture once it's all assembled again.

I had similar before with another make of bike and lucked out just to find a big washer that fitted. Made a big different. Trouble is this time round I'd need one with a hole the same as the inside diameter of the swing arm.

Found this which clearly shows the FXR cross brace.

(snip the pic)
Thanks for the reply.. Didn't realize the sta-bo stuff was that loose on the tolerances but then it's more than likely HD ain't helping much.. I've done something similar to the Sta-Bo thing but using bearing bronze and cut all the pieces to proper length.. I assumed Sta-Bo did the same thing.

So the foot peg brackets are part of the cross brace. Good pic.. The only stuff I've seen up close is some after market frame setups..
 
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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bwoltz
So the foot peg brackets are part of the cross brace. Good pic..
Yes, I remembered and noticed that.

The way they wrap around rather than are just welded onto the sides like the recent Dynas suggest it is structural to me ... stopping the tube flex in either direction.

Of course, that is all just theory but why else would they do it?
 
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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 04:50 AM
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What speeds does wobble typically occur at? I have never experienced it, but 99.9% of my riding is under 85, and on twisties under 70. Am I lucky or are guys turning hard at high speeds?
 

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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 04:59 AM
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What speeds does wobble typically occur at? I have never experienced it, but 99.9% of my riding is under 85, and on twisties under 70. Am I lucky or are guys turning hard at high speeds?
Ron, if you go back to my post #1 you will see that I comment that not everyone experiences it. While the subject gets plenty of air time on forums like HDF, the infamous wobble is not consistent or predictable. If you haven't experienced it you may never do so on your current bike. That may be down to your riding style, or that your bike is tighter than some others.

Should you change bikes in the future, there is a possibility that new bike may wobble. Be assured you will know it when you come across it, but in the meantime ride on and enjoy!
 
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Old Aug 24, 2014 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dun Roamin
Yes, I remembered and noticed that.

The way they wrap around rather than are just welded onto the sides like the recent Dynas suggest it is structural to me ... stopping the tube flex in either direction.

Of course, that is all just theory but why else would they do it?
I suspect that it was made one piece, mainly for ease of fabrication as it holds the foot pegs and side stand. Welding the structure, as an assembly, would ease manufacturing.

Not sure what you mean bu "either direction" Is it a structure for shear movement of the 2 frame tubes, together and apart movement, or just something to hold the foot-pegs and side stand?
 
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Old Aug 28, 2014 | 06:49 PM
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I don't know but it's got to add something apart from just weight.

So, are we anywhere near knowing what the "ideal" preload on these parts might be?

The pivot/bush assembly pushed the frame tubes apart some. I presume too much and it transfers more vibrations; too little and you get more wobble?
 
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bwoltz
You frame pic is great.. You can see how far the top and bottom cross braces are from pivot points of the swingarm mounts.. The drive train swing arm is simply compressed between those 2 donuts to hold the drive train.. If there is any lateral force, the pressure compresses only one side donut,, The other becomes unloaded and the drive train moves..


Here are pictures of the idea..



This is what the device looks like.



Here is the device installed on one side..




It seems to work pretty well.. Ties both sides of the frame together.. You need to set the spacing between the thrust bushing and nut as the tolerances vary..
Hey bwoltz, any further update on how this device is working out?
 
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Old Sep 6, 2014 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by mile high king
Hey bwoltz, any further update on how this device is working out?
These things are doing real well... I wanted to wait til I had a bit more data. I had a minor issue.. I've got maybe 5K on a 02 road king classic and these nuts made the thing handle even better when stuffing the bike into a corner.. I've tried and e3 on the front and tried a Bridgestone excedra and Michelin CII in the back.. The bike is set up high..Proper sag with emulators, 1.0kg/mm RT springs in the front and Ohlins configured from the factory in the back. Streetglide wheels. This bike has always handled well but add the nuts has mad it stabler. Alignment has never been checked, it is still running the original front and rear mounts..

The EGC was doing good bit it was where I has the slight issue. It has emulators, progressive springs, sag set at 28%. Street glide wheels. 18 in the front. Works shocks with ARS in the back.

The tires were almost worn out and found that the front wheel bearings were shot.. The tires were 140x18 venum X on the front and CII 150x16 on the rear.. When I noticed the front wheel bearings were gone, I replaced them first and took it for a ride (100 mile of mostly mountains) .. Didn't notice any difference in handling.. I swapped the front to a American Elite and rode 100 miles.. Better.. So I swapped the rear.. Still better.. Better was really handling in the corners.. The elite tire profile has bit of a V to them and I wanted to see what the changes did.. With the Elites the tires steer very neutral when laid over.. Like them a bunch.. Anyway the bike was feeling great except that I get a little tire bounce on choppy roads and wanted to correct it.. The emulators are running 2 turn gold springs, with 4 holes in the plate. I was talked into the 4 hole deal and wanted to go back to 2.. I pulled the fork tubes off and changed the emulator settings, refilled with fresh oil and reassembled.. I added about 1/12th turn on the steering bearings.. The test ride showed a bit of a wobble.. ... At first I was thinking I screwed up the emulators but finally figured it was the preload steering bearings.. Backed them off and the wobble went away..

I little long winded but it's is worth seeing that there are some many factors that can cause bat-winged bagger to dance..

As far as the nuts goes, you can get em by contacting these guys..

http://www.sykeperformance.com/

Email the info.

They still only have them for 02 to 08 bikes.. I've been hassling them about getting the stuff up on their web site bit it is a small 2 person shop and the main guy, while on vacation managed, to get some sort skin of infection that put him in the hospital for a few days.. He has just got out last Friday..
 
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Old Sep 11, 2014 | 11:45 PM
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Put on the true track the other day not because I had the wobble but because I don't ever want to experience it. Bike rode well prior but after it was installed my seat of the pants test seemed to really tighten up the ride - so I am happy with the purchase. Install was straight forward - no major issues.
 
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