Stage 1 kits?
Thinking about getting a stage one kit for my bike. Just wondering if they are even worth the $. What if anything will a stage 1 kit do for my bike? So far the only thing I have done to my RK is V&H pipes with big city thunder baffles. What do you think?
The motor from stock is restricted on the intake and exhaust for emissions controls- mostly noise emissions- and this quest for quiet by the factory has resulted in many changes to the bike design, belt drive, wet primary/clutch, motor and tranny case design and materials and cover etc.
It is a real engineering challenge to make a motorcycle quiet-
many, many riders the past 30 years have done a "stage 1" which refers to:
hi flowing intake
hi flowing exhaust
tuning compensation
depending on components chosen, the bike will gain 7 to 10 horsepower
This is the least expensive power gain you will find on a H-D, AND the most reliable.
some vendors do package a "kit"- many of us just select the stuff we want- a dealer kit can run over $2000 as reported recently by a couple of riders-
Hi Flow intake, allows more air into the motor- usually has a less restrictive filter media and no backing plate ( the black plastic plate on the backside of the filter housing).
many available- for late models, I prefer the ness big sucker. about $120 on ebay from easternpc.
This is similar to the Screaming Eagle at lower cost, with advantages: easier install, washable oiled filter media, chrome backing plate complements the motor ( unlike cast grey).
Exhaust- you have already done--- you have a hi flow header with out a catalytic convertor, right?
if so, that is done. if not you may want to look into removing the cat from your header, or a new header pipe from the aftermarket
next is tuning compensation- we now would have more air moving through the motor than stock- we have to add extra fuel so that the air to fuel ratio ( AFR) stays correct
too little fuel can harm the motor and produce poor power, too much fuel can also cause motor problems and poor power--- and emissions.
the are many devices to alter the AFR.
SOME bikes do not need any device- I have a few friends running stage 1 with the stock ECM with good results and no problems.
I also have Pals with tuning devices and poor results
This is a case-by -case judgement call.
I myself use nightrider.com XIEDS ( about $110) which are a simple device plugged into the o2 sensors which slightly richens the mixture under most conditions.
mike
It is a real engineering challenge to make a motorcycle quiet-
many, many riders the past 30 years have done a "stage 1" which refers to:
hi flowing intake
hi flowing exhaust
tuning compensation
depending on components chosen, the bike will gain 7 to 10 horsepower
This is the least expensive power gain you will find on a H-D, AND the most reliable.
some vendors do package a "kit"- many of us just select the stuff we want- a dealer kit can run over $2000 as reported recently by a couple of riders-
Hi Flow intake, allows more air into the motor- usually has a less restrictive filter media and no backing plate ( the black plastic plate on the backside of the filter housing).
many available- for late models, I prefer the ness big sucker. about $120 on ebay from easternpc.
This is similar to the Screaming Eagle at lower cost, with advantages: easier install, washable oiled filter media, chrome backing plate complements the motor ( unlike cast grey).
Exhaust- you have already done--- you have a hi flow header with out a catalytic convertor, right?
if so, that is done. if not you may want to look into removing the cat from your header, or a new header pipe from the aftermarket
next is tuning compensation- we now would have more air moving through the motor than stock- we have to add extra fuel so that the air to fuel ratio ( AFR) stays correct
too little fuel can harm the motor and produce poor power, too much fuel can also cause motor problems and poor power--- and emissions.
the are many devices to alter the AFR.
SOME bikes do not need any device- I have a few friends running stage 1 with the stock ECM with good results and no problems.
I also have Pals with tuning devices and poor results
This is a case-by -case judgement call.
I myself use nightrider.com XIEDS ( about $110) which are a simple device plugged into the o2 sensors which slightly richens the mixture under most conditions.
mike
Last edited by mkguitar; Aug 29, 2012 at 11:33 AM.
Short answer? YES!
Longer answer? Bring in more air (stage 1), tell computer to mix in more fuel (tuner), and get a free flowing exhaust to handle the extra...well...exhaust (you already did that). It is a trifecta that needs to be done all at once. What you've already done has actually hindered the performance of your Harley b/c backpressure is important and since you do not have the added exhaust going through the free flowing exhaust you have lost needed backpressure.
Since you have a 2010 you also have a cat that needs to be added into the equation. Which would make it a quadfecta. (did I just make up a word?) You have to de-cat your head pipe or you need to buy a new headpipe without a cat.
Longer answer? Bring in more air (stage 1), tell computer to mix in more fuel (tuner), and get a free flowing exhaust to handle the extra...well...exhaust (you already did that). It is a trifecta that needs to be done all at once. What you've already done has actually hindered the performance of your Harley b/c backpressure is important and since you do not have the added exhaust going through the free flowing exhaust you have lost needed backpressure.
Since you have a 2010 you also have a cat that needs to be added into the equation. Which would make it a quadfecta. (did I just make up a word?) You have to de-cat your head pipe or you need to buy a new headpipe without a cat.
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