Another SE Race Tuner Pro Question
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Another SE Race Tuner Pro Question
Quick question for those who have programmed their own ECMs using Harley's SE Race Tuner...which base map is the one you started with for a 2012 Touring bike with a stage 1? That is...high flow AC, high flow race exhaust and stock everything else. In looking through the maps provided, I don't see one for this configuration. They offer one with flat top pistons and everything else listed and they offer a lot of different ones for various advanced stages.
I have plenty of experience with the system and have programmed several bikes so not looking for any advice on that front....just curious what map folks started with on a basic 103 Stage 1. Thanks
I have plenty of experience with the system and have programmed several bikes so not looking for any advice on that front....just curious what map folks started with on a basic 103 Stage 1. Thanks
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I just went through this tuning my 2013 RG ultra, its the same base map for you 009FZ002, it is for the air can and exhaust upgrade using the exhaust with the 02 sensors. The other tune listed is for aftermarket exhaust without the 02 sensor and then they have one for stage 1 with 255 cams. The 009FZ002 worked perfect for me, I just did the air can and exhaust, runs great.
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Many thanks for the feedback! I was looking at 009FZ002 and 044AAO003 and noticed they both turn the automatic compression releases off. Did you turn them on? Did you make any other changes?
Thanks again!
Thanks again!
I just went through this tuning my 2013 RG ultra, its the same base map for you 009FZ002, it is for the air can and exhaust upgrade using the exhaust with the 02 sensors. The other tune listed is for aftermarket exhaust without the 02 sensor and then they have one for stage 1 with 255 cams. The 009FZ002 worked perfect for me, I just did the air can and exhaust, runs great.
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Yes i went with the first tune you listed, go into your tune and at the very bottom is tunning setup, go into the working file, hit the ACR tab and you can enable or disable. It also has a tab to enable to diable the heat management system as well.
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Thanks...yes, I have already saved a map and turned the ACR on and the heat management system on but I have not flashed the bike yet. Just curious if you turned yours on and why Harley would turn them off. Also, did you make any other changes? Thanks again for the feedback.
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I am not sure why they would want to disable ACR, unless you put in cams that have built in compression releases, I know S&S was working on something like that.
I did make some other changes I will give you, just remember I am at 6000 feet above sea level but did work great.
1.Decreased the timing front and rear 2750-4500 RPM 15-60 KPA by 2 degrees.
2.AFR table, check display as air fuel ration, then stoichiometric value, select the 14.3 10% ethanol, it will decrease the afr in the closed loop (14.0 to 14.1 AFR) it should remain bold print in closed loop. Then decreased the afr in the 750-1000 rpm range to 13.8 so it stays a little cooler at idol.
3. After all my data runs that changed the VE tables, I went through it manually to check any big discrepancies with the VEs in the cells. I call it a manual interpolating to make sure the ve tables are consistent without huge increase or decreases in one particular cell if that makes any sense.
I did make some other changes I will give you, just remember I am at 6000 feet above sea level but did work great.
1.Decreased the timing front and rear 2750-4500 RPM 15-60 KPA by 2 degrees.
2.AFR table, check display as air fuel ration, then stoichiometric value, select the 14.3 10% ethanol, it will decrease the afr in the closed loop (14.0 to 14.1 AFR) it should remain bold print in closed loop. Then decreased the afr in the 750-1000 rpm range to 13.8 so it stays a little cooler at idol.
3. After all my data runs that changed the VE tables, I went through it manually to check any big discrepancies with the VEs in the cells. I call it a manual interpolating to make sure the ve tables are consistent without huge increase or decreases in one particular cell if that makes any sense.
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Many thanks....
I am not going to mess with the timing right now. I may change to the 10% ethanol setting to lower the AF ratios slightly. Honestly, I cannot recall if the normal local 93 octane gas has ethanol in it or not. I need to research it. Thanks again...you have been a big help.
I am not going to mess with the timing right now. I may change to the 10% ethanol setting to lower the AF ratios slightly. Honestly, I cannot recall if the normal local 93 octane gas has ethanol in it or not. I need to research it. Thanks again...you have been a big help.
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your welcome, I used the 10% ethanol only because it keeps it in closed loop and puts the afr in the range I wanted 14.0 to 14.1 AFR. It works fine no matter what percent ethanol fuel you use.
If you do change the timing I would decrease it in the target range one degree at a time and see what effect it has on performance and reduction of your pinging. Two degrees was the ticket for my tune. No matter how much fuel I threw at it, the pinging never went completely away, it was a combination of both. The same was true on my 09 ultra.
You can also look at your data runs and see when the knock sensors kick in on the graph, it will give you the rpms of the knock and how many degrees timing the ecm used to correct it.
If you do change the timing I would decrease it in the target range one degree at a time and see what effect it has on performance and reduction of your pinging. Two degrees was the ticket for my tune. No matter how much fuel I threw at it, the pinging never went completely away, it was a combination of both. The same was true on my 09 ultra.
You can also look at your data runs and see when the knock sensors kick in on the graph, it will give you the rpms of the knock and how many degrees timing the ecm used to correct it.
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