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Interesting post....
Here in Florida, there is no state vehicle inspection, so the STATE doesn't really care what you do to your bike, or other vehicle.
We also pay the vehicle registration fee to the tax collector's office, cause that's exactly what it is!
I guess we don't have to worry here in Florida until the bureau-***** at the EPA come knockin on our door!
Here in Florida, there is no state vehicle inspection, so the STATE doesn't really care what you do to your bike, or other vehicle.
We also pay the vehicle registration fee to the tax collector's office, cause that's exactly what it is!
I guess we don't have to worry here in Florida until the bureau-***** at the EPA come knockin on our door!
Tourer
Joined: May 2013
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From: The Town of Saint Joseph of Guadalupe
Denis Manning is one of the few companies that sells "Calif. approved" pipes that actually sound good and increase HP.
I just put a Thunderheader on my SG but I'm going to buy a set of his pipes just to keep around for the ****'s
http://bub.com/
I just put a Thunderheader on my SG but I'm going to buy a set of his pipes just to keep around for the ****'s
http://bub.com/
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Jul 2013
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From: In my head
Thanks for the post! My dealer also told me about BUB, and I will definitely check them out. BUB is in Grass Valley and it's only about 4 hours from where I live. I bought my 40' Holiday Rambler from DeMartini RV's Grass Valley location back in '05, and I fell in love with the town. I will take a ride out there and visit them soon.
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From: Sunny Southern California
I was stating a fact of my experience to those locations that I traveled too.
I also said "I know there are pretty places in Cal. But wow those places we went to amazing the place looked like that".
Unless you feel guilty to the amount of trash and graffiti and down right nastiness to those places I visited that are tourist locations
As well no in Idaho we do not throw stones. This is an open carry state Thank you.
If someone was to visit our state and notice something not cool or dirty or whatever and mentions it. I see nothing wrong with that. It's true. Along with all the rules you have there. Different then here in the country. Does not mean I am better then any one else. It was my first time in California and that
was what I experienced.
I also said "I know there are pretty places in Cal. But wow those places we went to amazing the place looked like that".
Unless you feel guilty to the amount of trash and graffiti and down right nastiness to those places I visited that are tourist locations
As well no in Idaho we do not throw stones. This is an open carry state Thank you.
If someone was to visit our state and notice something not cool or dirty or whatever and mentions it. I see nothing wrong with that. It's true. Along with all the rules you have there. Different then here in the country. Does not mean I am better then any one else. It was my first time in California and that
was what I experienced.
Road Warrior
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From: Sunnyvale, Ca.
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The manufacturers will write the checks but guess who will pay for the increased cost of doing business in Californica? Can you spell customers?
Kind of reminds me of the tobacco settlement a number of years ago. A package of smokes was about $1.50 before the settlement and now they are what, about $4.50?
We need somebody to protect us from the government.
Kind of reminds me of the tobacco settlement a number of years ago. A package of smokes was about $1.50 before the settlement and now they are what, about $4.50?
We need somebody to protect us from the government.
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Tourer
Joined: Apr 2013
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From: Central KY
California's emission laws today are the national laws tomorrow. It's already against the law to tamper with the exhaust or intake on any emission controlled bike in a way that affects emissions. In fact it's already a federal violation with a $10,000 fine. The only saving grace is that most states are not enforcing it. Several after-market suppliers have already been prosecuted, their defense being that they only make the parts, they don't modify the vehicles (similar to gun liability laws). They have been successful with this argument. However, with the influence of environmentalists increasing at both the state and federal level it's just a matter of time before they begin testing and identifying vehicles that have been modified. If you have a modified bike when they do this it will cost you a good bit to put it back to stock. You may even face a fine with the growing penchant for revenue collection that all levels of government are demonstrating.
I'm surprised that so many dealers are willing to modify the intake and exhausts of their bikes. It's technically a federal offense. I guess they are counting on their particular states not to enforce and the feds not to engage at the state level for EPA violations. My dealer practically pressured me into changing the head pipes to get rid of the cats, change the intake and add a fuel controller to make up for all the havoc that the changes would cause.
My bike is stock at this time and I plan to keep it that way. I've wrapped the pipes and added WardWerks fans. It runs fine and I'm not bothered by heat so far. There are a number of reasons that I'm keeping it stock but this topic is one of them.
Here's a link to an EPA flyer regarding motorcycle emission laws which was published in 2003 (things have gotten tighter since):
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/420f03045.pdf
It says in part:
With regard to previously posted comments on the relative pollution from motorcycles the EPA brochure states:
I'm surprised that so many dealers are willing to modify the intake and exhausts of their bikes. It's technically a federal offense. I guess they are counting on their particular states not to enforce and the feds not to engage at the state level for EPA violations. My dealer practically pressured me into changing the head pipes to get rid of the cats, change the intake and add a fuel controller to make up for all the havoc that the changes would cause.
My bike is stock at this time and I plan to keep it that way. I've wrapped the pipes and added WardWerks fans. It runs fine and I'm not bothered by heat so far. There are a number of reasons that I'm keeping it stock but this topic is one of them.
Here's a link to an EPA flyer regarding motorcycle emission laws which was published in 2003 (things have gotten tighter since):
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/420f03045.pdf
It says in part:
In other words, owners of motor vehicles cannot legally make modifications that cause the emissions to exceed the applicable emissions standards, and they cannot remove or disable emission control devices installed by the manufacturer.
In fact, motorcycles produce more harmful emissions per mile than a car, or even a large SUV. The current federal motorcycle standard for hydrocarbon emissions is about 90 times the hydrocarbon standard for today’s passenger cars. Although many of today’s motorcycles will actually meet the current California standards, the California hydrocarbon standard is still 18 to 24 times the current federal passenger car limit, depending on the displacement of the motorcycle engine.
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Cruiser
Joined: Jan 2009
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From: CALIFORNIA
All things considered born & raised in Cali and don't think I am leaving the state until retirement , unfortunately too many years off
So that being said I think I will get a set of Bub 7 California compliant mufflers with cats for my true duals and put them on the shelf and just change them out if or I should say when we go to bi-annual inspections
Well they already got my diesel bike is just around the corner
So that being said I think I will get a set of Bub 7 California compliant mufflers with cats for my true duals and put them on the shelf and just change them out if or I should say when we go to bi-annual inspections
Well they already got my diesel bike is just around the corner