When Will The MOCO Do Something??
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In the software business, one must know the right time when to move the list of bugs to the list of "future enhancements" and send the product out the door.
Tourer
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From: Castle Rock, CO
You are absolutely right - which is why they shouldn't have partnered with a low-bidder unknown in Hungary that delivers 2-year old mapsets and charges $149.95 per update, when the gold standard for North America delivers 4 map updates per year for FREE. Imagine, Harley/Naviextras wants $600 per year for the same map updates that Garmin provides for FREE for the life of the device. Do you get a reach-around with that?
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Perhaps the finest quote on this topic--added to my perspective.
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You are absolutely right - which is why they shouldn't have partnered with a low-bidder unknown in Hungary that delivers 2-year old mapsets and charges $149.95 per update, when the gold standard for North America delivers 4 map updates per year for FREE. Imagine, Harley/Naviextras wants $600 per year for the same map updates that Garmin provides for FREE for the life of the device. Do you get a reach-around with that?
Last edited by Johnny K; Oct 16, 2013 at 10:56 AM.
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The guys that been riding Harleys a long time (30-40 years) don't come on here and bitch about this kind of stuff because every new model has improvements that make them better. I remember back in the 70's when it was expected that the mirrors and some of the hardware would vibrate off before we got it home. 
I think we haven't seen some fixes to some issues because they are a hardware problem and not a software problem. It would be relativity issue to issue a patch every few weeks to address issues as they fix them. I think the popping and cracking sound, which is the most annoying issue for me, is a hardware problem
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Sorry but thats the biggest load of crap Ive ever heard... If you've got a product that doesn't work you shouldn't be selling it and hoping you'll come up with a fix later... That sort of thinking doesn't wash anywhere but the software world and it shouldn't wash there either.... I mean hey - i got this toaster that doesn't actually heat bread but i'm gonna sell it anyway cuz... You know..... I might be able to come up with a "future enhancement" that'll get it to make toast sometime down the road... As a consumer I suppose you're OK with that?
Last edited by CRF; Oct 16, 2013 at 03:17 PM.
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Sorry but thats the biggest load of crap Ive ever heard... If you've got a product that doesn't work you shouldn't be selling it and hoping you'll come up with a fix later... That sort of thinking doesn't wash anywhere but the software world and it shouldn't wash there either.... I mean hey - i got this toaster that doesn't actually heat bread but i'm gonna sell it anyway cuz... You know..... I might be able to come up with a "future enhancement" that'll get it to make toast sometime down the road... As a consumer I suppose you're OK with that?
It sucks but it's true. Developers do it all the time. Doesn't mean it's right but it happens on the daily.
Again. Just look at Micro$oft.
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My guess (from my expereince) is Garmin felt Harley was too small a market to even mess with. Garmin has all the business they can handle in their hand-held, automoble, aircraft, mariner and so on, right now for the next umpteen years. They can affored to be choosy, and they are.
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