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Old Apr 1, 2016 | 10:21 AM
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Update on mine.

I actually pulled out the trans and had Baker rebuild it, had slightly worn dogs in 2nd, and they replaced one fork.

Issue is better but still happens and I'm pretty furious about it. I refuse to believe it is my shoes, or shifting habits, etc. I have ridden countless other harleys and never had this issue. My 5 speed never once did this. I've ridden in multiple boots, shoes, etc and this happens about 30% of the time still, really irritating.

Since so many other people here are having the issue, and finding ways to blame themselves I'm inclined to believe something is messed up with these bikes. One common thing is it seems a lot of switched from forwards to mids, but my other bike had mids with no issue. I changed my buddies 07 FXDB to mids with no issues.

I'm pretty much at my limits with this, I am considering the Baker GrudgeBox but it seems outlandish to buy a whole new trans to fix this issue.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2016 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Good_Apollo
Update on mine.

I actually pulled out the trans and had Baker rebuild it, had slightly worn dogs in 2nd, and they replaced one fork.

Issue is better but still happens and I'm pretty furious about it. I refuse to believe it is my shoes, or shifting habits, etc. I have ridden countless other harleys and never had this issue. My 5 speed never once did this. I've ridden in multiple boots, shoes, etc and this happens about 30% of the time still, really irritating.

Since so many other people here are having the issue, and finding ways to blame themselves I'm inclined to believe something is messed up with these bikes. One common thing is it seems a lot of switched from forwards to mids, but my other bike had mids with no issue. I changed my buddies 07 FXDB to mids with no issues.

I'm pretty much at my limits with this, I am considering the Baker GrudgeBox but it seems outlandish to buy a whole new trans to fix this issue.
Been a while and don't remember what has been said but you know if Baker rebuilt it, it's probably not the transmission. Make sure both joints are your shift rod have play. There is a lot of spherical joints out there that are too tight. There needs to be a little play for the slightly not complete engagement to suck in. If they are loose and it still does it, the engagement dog and gear need to be replaced in transmission.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2016 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Good_Apollo
Update on mine.

I actually pulled out the trans and had Baker rebuild it, had slightly worn dogs in 2nd, and they replaced one fork.

Issue is better but still happens and I'm pretty furious about it. I refuse to believe it is my shoes, or shifting habits, etc. I have ridden countless other harleys and never had this issue. My 5 speed never once did this. I've ridden in multiple boots, shoes, etc and this happens about 30% of the time still, really irritating.

Since so many other people here are having the issue, and finding ways to blame themselves I'm inclined to believe something is messed up with these bikes. One common thing is it seems a lot of switched from forwards to mids, but my other bike had mids with no issue. I changed my buddies 07 FXDB to mids with no issues.

I'm pretty much at my limits with this, I am considering the Baker GrudgeBox but it seems outlandish to buy a whole new trans to fix this issue.
Wow you really tried to solve the problem. I also never had the problem till I switched to mids. Wish I had ordered the bike originally with them. There seems to be something we are missing in the conversion. In any case I still get the neutral problem, but very much reduced as I addapt. Mainly to make sure my foot is completly under the shifter and sort of push it forward as I shift from first to second. Another forum member suggested using heavy transmission oil- 70-120. He claims he has not have the problem in 300 miles. Maybe at my next oil change will try. I use Amsoil transmission oil.
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Old Apr 2, 2016 | 12:24 PM
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Mine also started when I put the Baker compensator in at the same time, I got an early Baker Comp...wondering if it has issues as well. When I had it out to inspect and troubleshoot my issues, it was showing pretty heavy wear already, has about 8k miles on it.

I'm getting loud shifts as well, but only the 1st to 2nd is an issue. May switch to a SE comp and see if the issues improve.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2016 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by big ron
This problem arose last summer about the same time I put Amsoil 20W50 in all three holes. After doing some reading about different tranny fluids I decided that this may be the cause of the problem so decided to try 75W-140 gear oil. I went with the Mobil 1 synthetic because it is readily available at the local parts house. Problem solved! I have ridden approximately 300 miles and no missed shifts using multiple shoes.

Update: I have ridden approximately 1,000 miles without a missed shift since switching from AMSOIL SAE 20W50 Synthetic Motor Oil to Mobil 1 75W-140 synthetic gear oil.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2016 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by big ron
This problem arose last summer about the same time I put Amsoil 20W50 in all three holes. After doing some reading about different tranny fluids I decided that this may be the cause of the problem so decided to try 75W-140 gear oil. I went with the Mobil 1 synthetic because it is readily available at the local parts house. Problem solved! I have ridden approximately 300 miles and no missed shifts using multiple shoes.
Update: I have ridden approximately 1000 miles without a missed shift since switching from AMSOIL Synthetic Motorcycle Oil SAE 20W-50 to Mobil-1 synthetic gear oil 75W-140. This was a major problem for me and I was told that it was probably a bent gear paw which would require removing the tranny to repair. So I was going to pay for a forensic investigation to find out my tranny was fine or spend $19 on a bottle of gear oil..... Definitely try this if you are having issues.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2016 | 10:47 PM
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I am not a gear head nor do I know much about mechanics, but I read an article where a xr1200 was put up against a duc monster 1100. The article mentioned the super heavy flywheel on the HD was causing the clutch to not disengage immediately. I complained to the mechanic about this problem on my sportster before reading the article and he had me upgrade the clutch system and that helped, but I still have the problem if I am really pushing it and the rpm's are high. Cruising at the speed limit in town is no problem.
 
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Old May 8, 2017 | 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rogersachs
Wow you really tried to solve the problem. I also never had the problem till I switched to mids. Wish I had ordered the bike originally with them. There seems to be something we are missing in the conversion.
I just switched from forwards to mids last year, and one day the bike stopped downshifting! Had to rev it back home, still trying to figure out what's wrong. I wonder if switching to mids had anything to do with it.

Do you think shifter linkage length has anything to do with that?

Originally Posted by Mark@Baker Drivetrain
Make sure your linkage is not binding between the foot control and the shift lever on the trans. The shift rod attaching the foot control to the trans needs to be parallel to the bike and free at the joints.
Good to know! Will check. I hope rogersachs got his problem fixed.
 
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Originally Posted by FXD_noob
I just switched from forwards to mids last year, and one day the bike stopped downshifting! Had to rev it back home, still trying to figure out what's wrong. I wonder if switching to mids had anything to do with it.

Do you think shifter linkage length has anything to do with that?



Good to know! Will check. I hope rogersachs got his problem fixed.

Absolutely.. Check for the arm coming out of the back of the primary. Make sure it's not hitting the engine case/primary on the down shift.. Try shortening the shift rod.. Make sure the shift lever is not hitting anything..
 
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