14 Wide Glide Stage 1 Upgrade Question
14 Wide Glide Stage 1 Upgrade -COMPLETE
I have a stock wide glide with the 103
I went get an estimate at the Harley shop for a stage 1 kit for my WG, and as usual the price seems a bit absurd.
Exhaust - V&H Short shots staggered - 479.95
A/C- SE Chisel high flow air cleaner - 349.95
Tuner - SE EFI Super Tuner - 459.95
Gasket- 6.79
Flange - .52
Labor - 596.30 !!!!!
After taxes a whopping 2,072.99 for stage 1 upgrade and custom map.
The main reason I want to do an upgrade is for a better sound. I'm not really concerned with to much of a performance gain, just want to get a good sound out of my bike. And have it running right.
My question is if I just change the pipes, how important is the dyno? If it is really that critical to keep the engine running right and keep from future problems down the road I might as well go with the full stage 1. Its just a lot of cash to drop at once for better sound ya know.
Any help would be appreciated.
I went get an estimate at the Harley shop for a stage 1 kit for my WG, and as usual the price seems a bit absurd.
Exhaust - V&H Short shots staggered - 479.95
A/C- SE Chisel high flow air cleaner - 349.95
Tuner - SE EFI Super Tuner - 459.95
Gasket- 6.79
Flange - .52
Labor - 596.30 !!!!!
After taxes a whopping 2,072.99 for stage 1 upgrade and custom map.
The main reason I want to do an upgrade is for a better sound. I'm not really concerned with to much of a performance gain, just want to get a good sound out of my bike. And have it running right.
My question is if I just change the pipes, how important is the dyno? If it is really that critical to keep the engine running right and keep from future problems down the road I might as well go with the full stage 1. Its just a lot of cash to drop at once for better sound ya know.
Any help would be appreciated.
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You can probably get the Exhaust a little cheaper some where else and you don't need that particular over priced AC. Unless you're planning major improvements in the motor in the future that Tuner isn't needed either just a new download from the dealer to improve the air to fuel ratio. Do the labor yourself. None of those additions are very hard to do. If you can do all that your cost should be around $800-1000.
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I have a stock wide glide with the 103
I went get an estimate at the Harley shop for a stage 1 kit for my WG, and as usual the price seems a bit absurd.
Exhaust - V&H Short shots staggered - 479.95
A/C- SE Chisel high flow air cleaner - 349.95
These would afford you any top of the line exhaust systems.
Tuner - SE EFI Super Tuner - 459.95
For $549.00 (if memory serves me) you can get a PV and Stage 1 kit from Fuel Moto. With a new map built in for whichever exhaust system you tell them you have, and they will update that PV with whatever changes you ever make to the bike for free. And you can call them on the phone and get help!
Choose whatever suits your fancy with an A/C cover of your choice, most will work.
Gasket- 6.79
Flange - .52
Papa ain't got no time for no nickel-dime action, don't sweat the trivial Jack
Labor - 596.30 !!!!!
Screw-Oroonoo that! That's some simple stuff to do there that would save you dough for other stuff
After taxes a whopping 2,072.99 for stage 1 upgrade and custom map.
Example:
Fatcat 2-1, Exhaust: $853.30, w/Free Shipping
PV w/Stage 1 Kit: $549.00 (unless it changed)
Total minus tidbits: $1,302 .00
The main reason I want to do an upgrade is for a better sound. I'm not really concerned with to much of a performance gain, just want to get a good sound out of my bike. And have it running right.
Choose any exhaust you want but do it yourself.
My question is if I just change the pipes, how important is the dyno? If it is really that critical to keep the engine running right and keep from future problems down the road I might as well go with the full stage 1. Its just a lot of cash to drop at once for better sound ya know.
You do not need to dyno my example above nor with any other exhaust you are considering.
Any help would be appreciated.
I went get an estimate at the Harley shop for a stage 1 kit for my WG, and as usual the price seems a bit absurd.
Exhaust - V&H Short shots staggered - 479.95
A/C- SE Chisel high flow air cleaner - 349.95
These would afford you any top of the line exhaust systems.
Tuner - SE EFI Super Tuner - 459.95
For $549.00 (if memory serves me) you can get a PV and Stage 1 kit from Fuel Moto. With a new map built in for whichever exhaust system you tell them you have, and they will update that PV with whatever changes you ever make to the bike for free. And you can call them on the phone and get help!
Choose whatever suits your fancy with an A/C cover of your choice, most will work.
Gasket- 6.79
Flange - .52
Papa ain't got no time for no nickel-dime action, don't sweat the trivial Jack
Labor - 596.30 !!!!!
Screw-Oroonoo that! That's some simple stuff to do there that would save you dough for other stuff
After taxes a whopping 2,072.99 for stage 1 upgrade and custom map.
Example:
Fatcat 2-1, Exhaust: $853.30, w/Free Shipping
PV w/Stage 1 Kit: $549.00 (unless it changed)
Total minus tidbits: $1,302 .00
The main reason I want to do an upgrade is for a better sound. I'm not really concerned with to much of a performance gain, just want to get a good sound out of my bike. And have it running right.
Choose any exhaust you want but do it yourself.
My question is if I just change the pipes, how important is the dyno? If it is really that critical to keep the engine running right and keep from future problems down the road I might as well go with the full stage 1. Its just a lot of cash to drop at once for better sound ya know.
You do not need to dyno my example above nor with any other exhaust you are considering.
Any help would be appreciated.
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As the others mention you can save yourself a ton by doing the work yourself. AC and Exhaust were the first upgrades I made to my bike and represented the first time I ever worked on any motorcycle. Took me perhaps 3-4 hours all in.
Lots of options for AC's. DK and Fuelmoto have nice reasonably priced units (I have the DK Customs 587)
You can always get the V&H shortshots on ebay or revzilla or other online retailer for much less. Pretty loud though
As oldenough mentions you can either do a download for much less at the dealer or you can buy an aftermarket tuner such as a PV or FP3, or any number of others depending on what you want in the future (searching will be your friend on that), and use their canned maps with autotune, great options all around.
General consensus is that if you only change one item i.e. AC no exhaust or exhaust no AC you can get away without a tune, download, or tuner. Myself I liked a flash tuner because it definitely helped the smoothness of the bike.
All in I did mine for for $997 including shipping and had fun doing it (that includes FP3, exhaust, gaskets, AC)
Lots of options for AC's. DK and Fuelmoto have nice reasonably priced units (I have the DK Customs 587)
You can always get the V&H shortshots on ebay or revzilla or other online retailer for much less. Pretty loud though
As oldenough mentions you can either do a download for much less at the dealer or you can buy an aftermarket tuner such as a PV or FP3, or any number of others depending on what you want in the future (searching will be your friend on that), and use their canned maps with autotune, great options all around.
General consensus is that if you only change one item i.e. AC no exhaust or exhaust no AC you can get away without a tune, download, or tuner. Myself I liked a flash tuner because it definitely helped the smoothness of the bike.
All in I did mine for for $997 including shipping and had fun doing it (that includes FP3, exhaust, gaskets, AC)
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Of course the dealer will be the most expensive way to get anything done to your bike.
If all you want (for now) is sound, just change the pipes. You don't need a high flow intake or tuner to do pipes alone. With the Short Shots you will get some decel pop, not harmful and it may not bother you, but just be aware of that. And they are LOUD.
If all you want (for now) is sound, just change the pipes. You don't need a high flow intake or tuner to do pipes alone. With the Short Shots you will get some decel pop, not harmful and it may not bother you, but just be aware of that. And they are LOUD.
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As the others mention you can save yourself a ton by doing the work yourself. AC and Exhaust were the first upgrades I made to my bike and represented the first time I ever worked on any motorcycle. Took me perhaps 3-4 hours all in.
Lots of options for AC's. DK and Fuelmoto have nice reasonably priced units (I have the DK Customs 587)
You can always get the V&H shortshots on ebay or revzilla or other online retailer for much less. Pretty loud though
As oldenough mentions you can either do a download for much less at the dealer or you can buy an aftermarket tuner such as a PV or FP3, or any number of others depending on what you want in the future (searching will be your friend on that), and use their canned maps with autotune, great options all around.
General consensus is that if you only change one item i.e. AC no exhaust or exhaust no AC you can get away without a tune, download, or tuner. Myself I liked a flash tuner because it definitely helped the smoothness of the bike.
All in I did mine for for $997 including shipping and had fun doing it (that includes FP3, exhaust, gaskets, AC)
Lots of options for AC's. DK and Fuelmoto have nice reasonably priced units (I have the DK Customs 587)
You can always get the V&H shortshots on ebay or revzilla or other online retailer for much less. Pretty loud though
As oldenough mentions you can either do a download for much less at the dealer or you can buy an aftermarket tuner such as a PV or FP3, or any number of others depending on what you want in the future (searching will be your friend on that), and use their canned maps with autotune, great options all around.
General consensus is that if you only change one item i.e. AC no exhaust or exhaust no AC you can get away without a tune, download, or tuner. Myself I liked a flash tuner because it definitely helped the smoothness of the bike.
All in I did mine for for $997 including shipping and had fun doing it (that includes FP3, exhaust, gaskets, AC)
Certainly you can get away with just an exhaust change, there's no way you're going to lean out the engine in that case. If you're still concerned, get a set of XiED's for ~$100 to richen up the mixture a little bit. Good luck!
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I just had my stage one done on mine with the v&h big shots. I had the dealer do all of my work also so I can keep the life of cycle warranty. I had the race tuner and the ac that still used the stock cover. Mine cost me 1200 but I got 20% off items and 50% of labor in the winter months. If you don't plan on doing any more motor work you can just get it re mapped instead of the race tuner.
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I have a stock wide glide with the 103
I went get an estimate at the Harley shop for a stage 1 kit for my WG, and as usual the price seems a bit absurd.
Exhaust - V&H Short shots staggered - 479.95
A/C- SE Chisel high flow air cleaner - 349.95
Tuner - SE EFI Super Tuner - 459.95
Gasket- 6.79
Flange - .52
Labor - 596.30 !!!!!
After taxes a whopping 2,072.99 for stage 1 upgrade and custom map.
The main reason I want to do an upgrade is for a better sound. I'm not really concerned with to much of a performance gain, just want to get a good sound out of my bike. And have it running right.
My question is if I just change the pipes, how important is the dyno? If it is really that critical to keep the engine running right and keep from future problems down the road I might as well go with the full stage 1. Its just a lot of cash to drop at once for better sound ya know.
Any help would be appreciated.
I went get an estimate at the Harley shop for a stage 1 kit for my WG, and as usual the price seems a bit absurd.
Exhaust - V&H Short shots staggered - 479.95
A/C- SE Chisel high flow air cleaner - 349.95
Tuner - SE EFI Super Tuner - 459.95
Gasket- 6.79
Flange - .52
Labor - 596.30 !!!!!
After taxes a whopping 2,072.99 for stage 1 upgrade and custom map.
The main reason I want to do an upgrade is for a better sound. I'm not really concerned with to much of a performance gain, just want to get a good sound out of my bike. And have it running right.
My question is if I just change the pipes, how important is the dyno? If it is really that critical to keep the engine running right and keep from future problems down the road I might as well go with the full stage 1. Its just a lot of cash to drop at once for better sound ya know.
Any help would be appreciated.
We have stage 1 kits at a discounted price verses paying the dealer cost.
Our stage 1 kits allows you to be able to personalize your bike to what best fits you.
Our stage 1 kits are
Basic Stage I Kit
Performance Stage I Kit
Performance Plus Stage I Kit
Hope i was able to help you out some
Kelsey
As the others mention you can save yourself a ton by doing the work yourself. AC and Exhaust were the first upgrades I made to my bike and represented the first time I ever worked on any motorcycle. Took me perhaps 3-4 hours all in.
Lots of options for AC's. DK and Fuelmoto have nice reasonably priced units (I have the DK Customs 587)
You can always get the V&H shortshots on ebay or revzilla or other online retailer for much less. Pretty loud though
As oldenough mentions you can either do a download for much less at the dealer or you can buy an aftermarket tuner such as a PV or FP3, or any number of others depending on what you want in the future (searching will be your friend on that), and use their canned maps with autotune, great options all around.
General consensus is that if you only change one item i.e. AC no exhaust or exhaust no AC you can get away without a tune, download, or tuner. Myself I liked a flash tuner because it definitely helped the smoothness of the bike.
All in I did mine for for $997 including shipping and had fun doing it (that includes FP3, exhaust, gaskets, AC)
Lots of options for AC's. DK and Fuelmoto have nice reasonably priced units (I have the DK Customs 587)
You can always get the V&H shortshots on ebay or revzilla or other online retailer for much less. Pretty loud though
As oldenough mentions you can either do a download for much less at the dealer or you can buy an aftermarket tuner such as a PV or FP3, or any number of others depending on what you want in the future (searching will be your friend on that), and use their canned maps with autotune, great options all around.
General consensus is that if you only change one item i.e. AC no exhaust or exhaust no AC you can get away without a tune, download, or tuner. Myself I liked a flash tuner because it definitely helped the smoothness of the bike.
All in I did mine for for $997 including shipping and had fun doing it (that includes FP3, exhaust, gaskets, AC)
Thanks for the shout out
Kelsey
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If all you're interested in is sound, you can probably get aftermarket slip-on mufflers for under $250, and you're good to go. Pretty easy to install (versus an entire replacement exhaust).
I'd certainly try that first, versus ten times that amount from the dealer.
I'd certainly try that first, versus ten times that amount from the dealer.
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Like OP I wanted better sound out of my 103 Wide Glide(13 model), but wanted to do more research for a.c. and tuner. I choose to install Cycle Shack baffles, about $40, with some adapters from Advance Auto and like the sound. After I buy a new rear tire, I will look seriously for a tuner and a.c. You may want to consider this route so that you can buy what you want.