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Old Apr 8, 2017 | 05:13 PM
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Question was asked about the front fender clearance

You be da judge if there ample room

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Fender / wheel is straight



6.5" clearance
 

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Old Apr 8, 2017 | 05:23 PM
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Beautiful job! Very clean and neat. Much respect, sir.

Looking forward to your thoughts moving ahead.

Good luck with the weather. It's psychotically unstable here this time of year.
 
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Connector parts list - now that it finally plumbed

3/8 npt to -6 AN male..., straight - (these screw into the tubes to provide AN connections) - qty 4

-6 AN female to hose.., 90 degree - (two for X connecting the tubes at the top..., one for connecting the right side lower tube to the return hose) - qty 3

-6 AN male to female coupler.., 90 degree - (connects to bottom of tubes to provide a horizontal male AN connection) - qty 2

-6 AN female to hose..., 180 degree - (out of the oil offset to the bottom right side tube) - qty 1

-6 AN female to hose..., straight - (out of the oil offset to the bottom left side tube) - qty 1

-6 AN female to hose..., 45 degree - (connects to the left side tube.., ) - qty 1

1/4 npt to -6 AN male..., straight - (provides AN males connection for the oil offset) - qty 2


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Old Apr 8, 2017 | 05:33 PM
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It's a pain to get all the adapters and angles sorted so it fits close and clean. Most would give up before getting it to where you did.
 
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Originally Posted by cggorman
It's a pain to get all the adapters and angles sorted so it fits close and clean. Most would give up before getting it to where you did.
Thank You Sir

I really like to keep **** simple..., though simple never is

Funny how that seems to work

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Something that's been bugging me


Originally Posted by TinCupChalice
Absolutely! I had a good baseline of engine temperatures at different ambient temperatures using the Power Vision; after installing the relocation I was seeing a pretty consistent 15°; on the very hottest day it was around 12°. As the temperatures began to drop last fall it was more 17° - 19°.

I want to do some more testing this summer to get a better idea; I didn't have enough hot weather last year after the relocation went on; I'd like to get out on a 90°+ day and really see what it can do. My primary reason for going to the relocation was no more mess removing my PCS4C permanent oil filter for cleaning but relocating it out on the downtube appears to have added a bit more cooling, and that's bonus...
Notice in the results TC posted - as air temp was hotter..., which is exactly when more cooling is needed

The efficiency of the cooling system is at its lowest..., which makes total sense

And is what I fully expect to happen w/ this system

What irritates me - is that I have yet to see any supplier of cooling systems spell that out

Cooler the air temp - better their system cools - well duh

Hotter the air temp - less efficient / less it cools - well duh

And it's what anyone looking to cool their sled..., by adding whatever system..., needs to be aware of

It won't work as well..., as temperatures increase



What was the air temp to begin with.., when they (whoever the supplier) tested.., then posted said results


X % of cooling..., by decreasing engine / oil temps Y degrees - at Z air temp

Is not the same as X % of cooling..., by decreasing engine / oil temps Y degrees - at Z +..., or even Z -..., air temp

And X.., and Y - will absolutely decrease..., as air temp rises

Simply food for thought

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Originally Posted by Ghost_13
Something that's been bugging me




Notice in the results TC posted - as air temp was hotter..., which is exactly when more cooling is needed

The efficiency of the cooling system is at its lowest..., which makes total sense

And is what I fully expect to happen w/ this system

What irritates me - is that I have yet to see any supplier of cooling systems spell that out

Cooler the air temp - better their system cools - well duh

Hotter the air temp - less efficient / less it cools - well duh

And it's what anyone looking to cool their sled..., by adding whatever system..., needs to be aware of

It won't work as well..., as temperatures increase



What was the air temp to begin with.., when they (whoever the supplier) tested.., then posted said results


X % of cooling..., by decreasing engine / oil temps Y degrees - at Z air temp

Is not the same as X % of cooling..., by decreasing engine / oil temps Y degrees - at Z +..., or even Z -..., air temp

And X.., and Y - will absolutely decrease..., as air temp rises

Simply food for thought

Ghost
Yes. Basic heat transfer. Good argument for thermostatic flow control of the oil thru the heat exchanger. Design the system for near-full flow and desired cooling at max expected ambient air temp and use the 'stat to keep the oil from being over cooled at lower temps.

Love Jugs feels thermostatic control is a bad thing. I find that interesting.

"All" liquid cooled engines use at LEAST one thermostatic cooling control to maintain desired operating temps. Most use two: coolant flow control and air flow control.
 

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Originally Posted by cggorman

Love Jugs feels thermostatic control is a bad thing. I find that interesting.
I saw that..., stuff that makes me go Hmmm

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btw - the fans arrived..., they can be added to the mix once all the other stuff tested

Facts..., are facts

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Originally Posted by Ghost_13
Something that's been bugging me




Notice in the results TC posted - as air temp was hotter..., which is exactly when more cooling is needed

The efficiency of the cooling system is at its lowest..., which makes total sense

And is what I fully expect to happen w/ this system

What irritates me - is that I have yet to see any supplier of cooling systems spell that out

Cooler the air temp - better their system cools - well duh

Hotter the air temp - less efficient / less it cools - well duh

And it's what anyone looking to cool their sled..., by adding whatever system..., needs to be aware of

It won't work as well..., as temperatures increase



What was the air temp to begin with.., when they (whoever the supplier) tested.., then posted said results


X % of cooling..., by decreasing engine / oil temps Y degrees - at Z air temp

Is not the same as X % of cooling..., by decreasing engine / oil temps Y degrees - at Z +..., or even Z -..., air temp

And X.., and Y - will absolutely decrease..., as air temp rises

Simply food for thought

Ghost

And X.., and Y - will absolutely decrease..., as air temp rises
... True that, and not in a linear manner.

If you do your testing in a variety of ambient temps, I will be very interested to see what you find.

In our hundreds of heat tests, we always document the ambient temp.



Originally Posted by cggorman
Love Jugs feels thermostatic control is a bad thing. I find that interesting.
I read that also. He is incorrect, not only in that statement, but in several others he made in the post. It appears he does not know his own product very well.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2017 | 04:37 PM
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Looks damn good Ghost. Nice work and thanks for documenting. Looking forward to your test results.
 
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