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Old Mar 9, 2015 | 02:31 PM
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I'm considering putting a 2013 103" twim-cam in my 2006 Electra Glide Standard. Does anybody know what else I'll have to change to make this work? Will the 103" motor bolt directly to my 5-speed transmission? Will I need to change the ECM?

Thanks in advance for any help anyone may be able to offer!
 
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Old Mar 9, 2015 | 03:07 PM
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More to that than meets the eye.
If looking for more juice, a 98" set-up would be a much more straightforward approach, IMHO.
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Old Mar 9, 2015 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by danicol12
I'm considering putting a 2013 103" twim-cam in my 2006 Electra Glide Standard. Does anybody know what else I'll have to change to make this work? Will the 103" motor bolt directly to my 5-speed transmission? Will I need to change the ECM?

Thanks in advance for any help anyone may be able to offer!
To echo Scott, a bridge too far unless you have a lot of time, a lot of mechanical skills/tools and, most importantly, a big pile of cash. You should pass on that idea and consider working with what you have as Scott has suggested. A well built 98"er will out perform that 103"er anyway and it is something you can do and won't break the bank.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2015 | 05:33 PM
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... A well built 98"er will out perform that 103"er anyway and it is something you can do and won't break the bank.
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Old Mar 13, 2015 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by djl
To echo Scott, a bridge too far unless you have a lot of time, a lot of mechanical skills/tools and, most importantly, a big pile of cash. You should pass on that idea and consider working with what you have as Scott has suggested. A well built 98"er will out perform that 103"er anyway and it is something you can do and won't break the bank.

I should leave well enough alone, but I like mixing and matching parts.. it's a sickness.

What does it take to drop a 07+ 4.375 bottom end into my TC88? I hear the 99-02 cranks are "better", but if I true an weld a 07+ crank.... why not make a 103 or 107 with factory bottom end and bored jugs?

I build V8's regularly, so I have the tools/ability to do the work, I'm still learning the interchange ropes on V twins..
 
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Originally Posted by RunswScissors
I should leave well enough alone, but I like mixing and matching parts.. it's a sickness.

What does it take to drop a 07+ 4.375 bottom end into my TC88? I hear the 99-02 cranks are "better", but if I true an weld a 07+ crank.... why not make a 103 or 107 with factory bottom end and bored jugs?

I build V8's regularly, so I have the tools/ability to do the work, I'm still learning the interchange ropes on V twins..
That is just a matter of pulling the lower unit, sending it off to Hoban Brothers (AKA Darkhorse Crankworks) and let them install one of their "worked" 4.375 cranks and beefed up connecting rods. They can do the Timken crank bearing conversion as well and bore your cases for a set of 4.125" cylinders and, wala, a 117" motor.
 
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Originally Posted by RunswScissors
I should leave well enough alone, but I like mixing and matching parts.. it's a sickness.

What does it take to drop a 07+ 4.375 bottom end into my TC88? I hear the 99-02 cranks are "better", but if I true an weld a 07+ crank.... why not make a 103 or 107 with factory bottom end and bored jugs?

I build V8's regularly, so I have the tools/ability to do the work, I'm still learning the interchange ropes on V twins..
We build 107" engines like that here quite often, using S&S cranks, and with a case bore and a set of S&S cylinders.............117" as djl has mentioned.
Tame, those push 125/135, and have built them well north of that.
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Originally Posted by Hillsidecycle.com
We build 107" engines like that here quite often, using S&S cranks, and with a case bore and a set of S&S cylinders.............117" as djl has mentioned.
Tame, those push 125/135, and have built them well north of that.
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I understand there are aftermarket cranks out there that I can use... i want to know if I can get a 96 crank and drop it into my 88 case without machine work. That gets me a 4.375 crank at ebay takeout prices.

Does anybody have a definitive answer?
 
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Originally Posted by RunswScissors
I understand there are aftermarket cranks out there that I can use... i want to know if I can get a 96 crank and drop it into my 88 case without machine work. That gets me a 4.375 crank at ebay takeout prices.

Does anybody have a definitive answer?
Short and definitive answer is yes but I don't know what you mean by "ebay take out prices."

I thought I made it pretty clear in #6 that dropping a 4.375" crank (OEM or aftermarket) in your 88" cases, without machine work, was a "bolt in" exchange. However, it would be wise to convert the crank roller bearing to the Timken bearing or the HD "Lefty" bearing unless you have an '02 or earlier 88"er that already has the Timken crank bearing. However, once the lower unit is out of the bike for the crank conversion, that would be the time to bore the cases for larger cylinders so, in the future, if you wanted to install bigger bore cylinders, the lower unit would not have to be pulled again for case boring. Believe me, when I pulled the lower unit in my '02 FLHT for case boring for bigger bore cylinders, the additional cost for a 4.375" crank would have been marginal and I have always regretted not going to 117" instead of 107". Just saying that once the lower unit is out for a crank exchange, if funds are available, get the other machine work done for a future upgrade in displacement.
 
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