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I double checked the static timing and made sure I was at tdc on the compression stroke. the instructions form ultima say to turn the ign clock wise just until the led goes out. I'll dig into again tomorrow night. I feel good about my progress so far. I'll get it right. I'll put a timing light on it just to make sure that the timing isn't the issue, then i'll know I just have to get the carb right.
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It's 80 inch motor with an ev 27, cycle shack muffler pipes, ultima 53 644 ignition, and Dyna coil. I have an hd voes hooked up, but currently have the switch on the ign off for the voes. I actually have all the switches off on the ign per the instrctions for my motor per the ultima instructions. I can tell I'm close but just not right yet
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From: Haslet Texas
According to the Ultima instruction PDF the only curve he should run is curve one.
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I double checked the static timing and made sure I was at tdc on the compression stroke. the instructions form ultima say to turn the ign clock wise just until the led goes out. I'll dig into again tomorrow night. I feel good about my progress so far. I'll get it right. I'll put a timing light on it just to make sure that the timing isn't the issue, then i'll know I just have to get the carb right.
After you get your timing right turn the VOES ON.
That should solve your pinging issues.
Call S&S and make sure you got the accelerator pump back to where it was when they sent it to you.
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Thanks I have the instructions on how to re- set the carb back to factory specs. The accelerator pump is two full turns out from lightly seated. I think I'll put it back at tdc, pull the inspection cover and ,mark the rotor and inner primary to make sure that I am dead on with the timing, then see what happens after I turn on the voes switch. If it is struggling on the low end do you
Thanks again for all the replies.
Thanks again for all the replies.
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This. If you think the static timing is god, turn on the VOES and put the ign on the mildest curve. VOES retards timing under high vacuum conditions, which seems to be where your ping is. I would think the only time you'd want it turned off is to time with a light.
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I totally enjoy these types of topics...
I have the ultima 53-644 ignition and tried curve two and three with a timing lite and that each step on the ignition is the exact degrees to the timing lite so really there was no benefit to using the timing lite. I did have to adjust the ignition plate as part of maintainance. If thats the coil that came with the ignition I wouldn't put a lot of confidense in it, mine went out after a month and I put a crane on it.If your going to mess with the timing with the light do yourself a favor and sync the crank tdc to marks your will put in your primary , one line one the rotor and one line on the inner primary, makes life so much nicer.
I have the ultima 53-644 ignition and tried curve two and three with a timing lite and that each step on the ignition is the exact degrees to the timing lite so really there was no benefit to using the timing lite. I did have to adjust the ignition plate as part of maintainance. If thats the coil that came with the ignition I wouldn't put a lot of confidense in it, mine went out after a month and I put a crane on it.If your going to mess with the timing with the light do yourself a favor and sync the crank tdc to marks your will put in your primary , one line one the rotor and one line on the inner primary, makes life so much nicer.
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From: In The Woods, PA
I totally enjoy these types of topics...
I have the ultima 53-644 ignition and tried curve two and three with a timing lite and that each step on the ignition is the exact degrees to the timing lite so really there was no benefit to using the timing lite. I did have to adjust the ignition plate as part of maintainance. If thats the coil that came with the ignition I wouldn't put a lot of confidense in it, mine went out after a month and I put a crane on it.If your going to mess with the timing with the light do yourself a favor and sync the crank tdc to marks your will put in your primary , one line one the rotor and one line on the inner primary, makes life so much nicer.
I have the ultima 53-644 ignition and tried curve two and three with a timing lite and that each step on the ignition is the exact degrees to the timing lite so really there was no benefit to using the timing lite. I did have to adjust the ignition plate as part of maintainance. If thats the coil that came with the ignition I wouldn't put a lot of confidense in it, mine went out after a month and I put a crane on it.If your going to mess with the timing with the light do yourself a favor and sync the crank tdc to marks your will put in your primary , one line one the rotor and one line on the inner primary, makes life so much nicer.
I never installed the coil that came with the kit. I bought a the Dyna coil that Ultima recommends in the instruction sheet. Hoping I get the time tomorrow night to get the marks in the primary and time it with the light. If the bottom end has no ***** and the throttle response is slow, would you think the timing is too late?
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I have my voes hooked up and I'm on curve 3 although I'm sure I could be on curve 2 and I have no problems with power. If you say you have 90% better I would say the guys that have given you advice have a lot more tweaking info than me as I'm a simple guy that just wants a bit of torque and hi milage.
I have a 97 superglide sitting in the shed with a s&s carb and bone stock reman motor that I will one day do some power tweaking too.
As for the jetting my buddy that has been doing this sort of stuff for many moons told me the way he decides on the pilot jet is by hitting the throttle in third gear upto 6000 rpm until it starts sputtering like its starving on fuel and when you get that you go up one size and call it done. He had told me this after I told him I was running the following in my dales killer carb
When I got new carb from dale it had 195-.174,50-.020 , med spring,n72v needle with 1 shim, idle mixture 2 1/4 turns
I have a 97 superglide sitting in the shed with a s&s carb and bone stock reman motor that I will one day do some power tweaking too.
As for the jetting my buddy that has been doing this sort of stuff for many moons told me the way he decides on the pilot jet is by hitting the throttle in third gear upto 6000 rpm until it starts sputtering like its starving on fuel and when you get that you go up one size and call it done. He had told me this after I told him I was running the following in my dales killer carb
When I got new carb from dale it had 195-.174,50-.020 , med spring,n72v needle with 1 shim, idle mixture 2 1/4 turns