2006 cam question
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Hello everyone,
I have a 2006 Ultra. I have been talking to several dealers about an engine upgrade to 95ci. They are all pretty much consistent in everything except the cam. One suggests a 211 and the other the 204. One says the 211 will open around 2200rpm and will give me good mid range power for cruising. The other says the 211 will open much later and suggests the 204 instead. This build is with the SE Pro cast pistons, adj push rods, new cam plate and roller chain. (No head work at this time due to the expense). I would like to hear your opinions on the cams. I usually ride 2 up and put on about 10-12K per year.
I have a 2006 Ultra. I have been talking to several dealers about an engine upgrade to 95ci. They are all pretty much consistent in everything except the cam. One suggests a 211 and the other the 204. One says the 211 will open around 2200rpm and will give me good mid range power for cruising. The other says the 211 will open much later and suggests the 204 instead. This build is with the SE Pro cast pistons, adj push rods, new cam plate and roller chain. (No head work at this time due to the expense). I would like to hear your opinions on the cams. I usually ride 2 up and put on about 10-12K per year.
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Hello everyone,
I have a 2006 Ultra. I have been talking to several dealers about an engine upgrade to 95ci. They are all pretty much consistent in everything except the cam. One suggests a 211 and the other the 204. One says the 211 will open around 2200rpm and will give me good mid range power for cruising. The other says the 211 will open much later and suggests the 204 instead. This build is with the SE Pro cast pistons, adj push rods, new cam plate and roller chain. (No head work at this time due to the expense). I would like to hear your opinions on the cams. I usually ride 2 up and put on about 10-12K per year.
Hello everyone,
I have a 2006 Ultra. I have been talking to several dealers about an engine upgrade to 95ci. They are all pretty much consistent in everything except the cam. One suggests a 211 and the other the 204. One says the 211 will open around 2200rpm and will give me good mid range power for cruising. The other says the 211 will open much later and suggests the 204 instead. This build is with the SE Pro cast pistons, adj push rods, new cam plate and roller chain. (No head work at this time due to the expense). I would like to hear your opinions on the cams. I usually ride 2 up and put on about 10-12K per year.
Is there some thing wrong with you cam plate and chain? You should only need to replace the tensioners.
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I don't think you would be happy with the 211 in such a heavy bike unless you like to shift, I would do the 204 cams. My dad has the 204's with SE flat tops in his 95" build, he also has a 06 Ultra. I've ridden his bike and it seems to pull good down low where you would like a touring bike to be.
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If you are stuck using SE parts then I would not suggest using the 211 in a bagger. You need 10.2-10.5 with the 211 and a good 2-1 pipe to make anything really happen under 3000 rpm. Head works is always a plus. If you are going bump up to 95 inch sepnd your money on head work. Adding a 204 cam and stock heads with a 95 inch kit is not going to set the world on fire by any means more often than not many ride away with that kit and wonder where all the money went as the kit does run better but.... not to the extent of money spent.
In a bagger the andrews 26 cam is a GREAT choice, add that to a 95 kit with some head porting and you will get great bottom to mid range PUNCH!!!!!.
No I have used the 204 cam in builds and it does make decent power but you need to get the compression into the 9.5 range( we run them at 9.7) The tq curve with a bit more compression gets very stout and runs well for a SE cam. They tend to lack hp if you choose to ride inthe upper RPM range. as the cam is just a little guy.
Her is a list of parts that I would use if all I was buying was SE
Bore your cylinders to 95 inch
Forged h/c pistons ( they will yeild approx 9.4-9.6)
.030 head gasket ( cometic)
SE 204 cam
and a good pipe. Stay away from something that is a true dual and very open style. I would suggest a 2-1
SE slip ons are a great choice not too loud and will provide good back pressure, and a good tq curve.
Just my .02 cents worth
In a bagger the andrews 26 cam is a GREAT choice, add that to a 95 kit with some head porting and you will get great bottom to mid range PUNCH!!!!!.
No I have used the 204 cam in builds and it does make decent power but you need to get the compression into the 9.5 range( we run them at 9.7) The tq curve with a bit more compression gets very stout and runs well for a SE cam. They tend to lack hp if you choose to ride inthe upper RPM range. as the cam is just a little guy.
Her is a list of parts that I would use if all I was buying was SE
Bore your cylinders to 95 inch
Forged h/c pistons ( they will yeild approx 9.4-9.6)
.030 head gasket ( cometic)
SE 204 cam
and a good pipe. Stay away from something that is a true dual and very open style. I would suggest a 2-1
SE slip ons are a great choice not too loud and will provide good back pressure, and a good tq curve.
Just my .02 cents worth
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HDWRENCH, thanks for your .02 cents worth. I looked up the andrews 26 and it looks as if it a pretty good cam. If I install it what other compontents would work best? I am thinking of doing the head work now.
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ROADGLIDE65, the dealer was going to convert the cam, cam plate, and roller chain to the 07 upgrade.
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The 204 would would be your best choice if staying with SE cams....im goin the to the Andrews 37g's myself to get away from the tensioners and that cam is very popular with this bore too...tried and proven, guess u can say.....on the dyno, ist shows 80+ hp and at 100 ft lbs tq from 2000 up
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Hi TNT,
Your dealer is offering you a good deal upgrading your cam chest to the newer roller chain, hopefully he will get you the newer oil pump too (insist on it). All the cams mentioned are good for what they were designed to do. Talk to your dealer and specifically tell him how you ride and what you expect from your bike. If you look at the specks for the SE 204 and the Andrews 37H (for the newer cam chest), the specks look near the same unless you look closely. The SE 204 will come up on the cam sooner (power will start lower on the RPM scale) than the Andrews 37H. Note the overlap and the exhaust closing point. The 37H will make more power higher on the RPM scale; think top end speed. Also, to get the benefit of the 37H you should raise the compression ratio a bit. Talk to an experienced tuner. I'm not sure about the SE 211 the one bike I saw the dyno sheet for was not very impressive. Then again, the owner didn't buy the pipes for performance but looks and he's happy, I would not be. It's up to you; you know what you want for power and where you want it. Remember you need to think of an engine build as a system and match the components accordingly.
Good luck with your build,
Best wishes,
Pix
Your dealer is offering you a good deal upgrading your cam chest to the newer roller chain, hopefully he will get you the newer oil pump too (insist on it). All the cams mentioned are good for what they were designed to do. Talk to your dealer and specifically tell him how you ride and what you expect from your bike. If you look at the specks for the SE 204 and the Andrews 37H (for the newer cam chest), the specks look near the same unless you look closely. The SE 204 will come up on the cam sooner (power will start lower on the RPM scale) than the Andrews 37H. Note the overlap and the exhaust closing point. The 37H will make more power higher on the RPM scale; think top end speed. Also, to get the benefit of the 37H you should raise the compression ratio a bit. Talk to an experienced tuner. I'm not sure about the SE 211 the one bike I saw the dyno sheet for was not very impressive. Then again, the owner didn't buy the pipes for performance but looks and he's happy, I would not be. It's up to you; you know what you want for power and where you want it. Remember you need to think of an engine build as a system and match the components accordingly.
Good luck with your build,
Best wishes,
Pix
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