Counter-steering
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In the MSF course I took years ago I was told to "press right go right; press left go left".
Here is my question. What do they mean by press? Do they mean press the left bar DOWN or press the left bar FORWARD?
The word "press" is ambiguous in the context of counter-steering.
If you are a MSF instructor I think you need to make sure your students understand what you mean by the word "press", when you say "press left go left, press right go right". You must clearly define what you mean by the word "press".
I have a heavier bike now with a lower center of gravity and the way I have been doing countersteering (pushing DOWN on the handlebar) is not working as good for me.
Does this sound like an adult motorcycle owner??? "I have been doing countersteering wrong"...Seriously? How the &*$# do you "push down" on the handlebars of an imaginary Fatboy?
In the MSF course I took years ago I was told to "press right go right; press left go left".
Here is my question. What do they mean by press? Do they mean press the left bar DOWN or press the left bar FORWARD?
The word "press" is ambiguous in the context of counter-steering.
If you are a MSF instructor I think you need to make sure your students understand what you mean by the word "press", when you say "press left go left, press right go right". You must clearly define what you mean by the word "press".
I have a heavier bike now with a lower center of gravity and the way I have been doing countersteering (pushing DOWN on the handlebar) is not working as good for me.
Does this sound like an adult motorcycle owner??? "I have been doing countersteering wrong"...Seriously? How the &*$# do you "push down" on the handlebars of an imaginary Fatboy?
Last edited by rdam; Oct 24, 2016 at 09:39 PM.
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1,000 replies!!!! Mikey gets a Happy Meal!!! Let us look back at the post that started it all!!
In the MSF course I took years ago I was told to "press right go right; press left go left".
Here is my question. What do they mean by press? Do they mean press the left bar DOWN or press the left bar FORWARD?
The word "press" is ambiguous in the context of counter-steering.
If you are a MSF instructor I think you need to make sure your students understand what you mean by the word "press", when you say "press left go left, press right go right". You must clearly define what you mean by the word "press".
I have a heavier bike now with a lower center of gravity and the way I have been doing countersteering (pushing DOWN on the handlebar) is not working as good for me.
Does this sound like an adult motorcycle owner??? "I have been doing countersteering wrong"...Seriously?
In the MSF course I took years ago I was told to "press right go right; press left go left".
Here is my question. What do they mean by press? Do they mean press the left bar DOWN or press the left bar FORWARD?
The word "press" is ambiguous in the context of counter-steering.
If you are a MSF instructor I think you need to make sure your students understand what you mean by the word "press", when you say "press left go left, press right go right". You must clearly define what you mean by the word "press".
I have a heavier bike now with a lower center of gravity and the way I have been doing countersteering (pushing DOWN on the handlebar) is not working as good for me.
Does this sound like an adult motorcycle owner??? "I have been doing countersteering wrong"...Seriously?
Funny thing is, I tried pushing forward on the bars and that was worse, much worse. When pushing the right bar I always got some throttle in the push and I did not like that at all. It is not natural to press forward on the handlebars given my rider position.
I found when riding the other day that I implement counter-steering in many different ways, sometimes I pull the outside bar instead of pushing the inside bar. It all depends on what feels natural at the time.
The best thing that came out of all of this is I am looking further down the road more than I was before and more relaxed on the bike. I feel I understand the physics of what is going on much better which gives me confidence and because of that I trust the bike more. The large sweeper curve problem I had on the highway is solved.
Last edited by MikerR1; Oct 24, 2016 at 09:52 PM.
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I should have said the way I have been implementing counter-steering is not working for me.
Funny thing is, I tried pushing forward on the bars and that was worse, much worse. When pushing the right bar I always got some throttle in the push and I did not like that at all. It is not natural to press forward on the handlebars given my rider position.
I found when riding the other day that I implement counter-steering in many different ways, sometimes I pull the outside bar instead of pushing the inside bar. It all depends on what feels natural at the time.
The best thing that came out of all of this is I am looking further down the road more than I was before and more relaxed on the bike. I feel I understand the physics of what is going on much better which gives me confidence and because of that I trust the bike more. The large sweeper curve problem I had on the highway is solved.
Funny thing is, I tried pushing forward on the bars and that was worse, much worse. When pushing the right bar I always got some throttle in the push and I did not like that at all. It is not natural to press forward on the handlebars given my rider position.
I found when riding the other day that I implement counter-steering in many different ways, sometimes I pull the outside bar instead of pushing the inside bar. It all depends on what feels natural at the time.
The best thing that came out of all of this is I am looking further down the road more than I was before and more relaxed on the bike. I feel I understand the physics of what is going on much better which gives me confidence and because of that I trust the bike more. The large sweeper curve problem I had on the highway is solved.
Anther BTW.. I got 1000!! Do I get a coupon for set of steak knives or least an Egg McMuffin?
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I do everything, push and pull, mostly with my right arm. My left arm is basically just along for the ride. No pun intended.
Last edited by rjg883c; Oct 24, 2016 at 11:01 PM.
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In the MSF course I took years ago I was told to "press right go right; press left go left".
Here is my question. What do they mean by press? Do they mean press the left bar DOWN or press the left bar FORWARD?
The word "press" is ambiguous in the context of counter-steering.
If you are a MSF instructor I think you need to make sure your students understand what you mean by the word "press", when you say "press left go left, press right go right". You must clearly define what you mean by the word "press".
I have a heavier bike with a lower center of gravity and the way I have been doing countersteering (pushing DOWN on the handlebar) is not working as good for me.
Here is my question. What do they mean by press? Do they mean press the left bar DOWN or press the left bar FORWARD?
The word "press" is ambiguous in the context of counter-steering.
If you are a MSF instructor I think you need to make sure your students understand what you mean by the word "press", when you say "press left go left, press right go right". You must clearly define what you mean by the word "press".
I have a heavier bike with a lower center of gravity and the way I have been doing countersteering (pushing DOWN on the handlebar) is not working as good for me.
Look at the his replies on the first page or 2.
Last edited by Durango Dave; Oct 24, 2016 at 10:23 PM.
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Wishful thinking bruh. I am admitting that I am not a physicist, but I am a very experienced motorcyclist and am more than qualified to explain how counter-steering works. This makes my opinion at least somewhat useful.
You on the other-hand are neither a physicist or a motorcyclist, which makes your opinion completely worthless.
You on the other-hand are neither a physicist or a motorcyclist, which makes your opinion completely worthless.
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It is quite obvious that you have never operated a motorcycle.
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Wishful thinking bruh. I am admitting that I am not a physicist, but I am a very experienced motorcyclist and am more than qualified to explain how counter-steering works. This makes my opinion at least somewhat useful.
You on the other-hand are neither a physicist or a motorcyclist, which makes your opinion completely worthless.
You on the other-hand are neither a physicist or a motorcyclist, which makes your opinion completely worthless.