Counter-steering
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You folk do realize that different bikes will have different feels to them. A race type bike will have a different rake and trail than a touring bike will. So they will react differently to the same inputs. Also consider handlebar placements, clip-ons, to ape hangers is the range. all are slightly different.
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And there is a LOT more to it than just counter-steering...you need to look "through" the turn, you need to apply pressure with your inner thigh/foot peg, you need to move your body in the direction of the turn....its more than just sitting straight up in front of the bars and "pushing" them.
Best advice I have been given is try to "kiss your mirrors" when you are leaning into a turn...basically if you move your head towards your mirror (on the side you are turning into) the rest will pretty much take care of itself...all the while applying pressure to the bars in direction you are turning...
Also, to turn tighter you ACCELERATE, not hit the brakes...when you feel you may not make the turn you need to actually give it gas so it will unload the front end and you will actually get tighter turn radius...yeah, it goes against ALL your reflexes...but if you practice it will become 2nd nature...
My MSF course was preaching Look, Lean, Roll
Look - look thorugh the turn
Lean - get the proper lean angle, lean your body inwards
Roll - roll onto the throttle...
Best advice I have been given is try to "kiss your mirrors" when you are leaning into a turn...basically if you move your head towards your mirror (on the side you are turning into) the rest will pretty much take care of itself...all the while applying pressure to the bars in direction you are turning...
Also, to turn tighter you ACCELERATE, not hit the brakes...when you feel you may not make the turn you need to actually give it gas so it will unload the front end and you will actually get tighter turn radius...yeah, it goes against ALL your reflexes...but if you practice it will become 2nd nature...
My MSF course was preaching Look, Lean, Roll
Look - look thorugh the turn
Lean - get the proper lean angle, lean your body inwards
Roll - roll onto the throttle...
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LOLZ....yeah...I mean if the guy has been riding he should already know most of this....trying to hash out how to ride and saying that us explaining someone what counter-steering is on a forum is dangerous is kind of ridiculous...just go out and ride the thing and actually look at what you are doing...if you successfully maneuvered any turn over 30 mph you have already counter-steered but didnt realize what you were doing...so pay attention to what you are doing and quit worrying about if your brand new Harley emblazoned leather Jacket, Chaps, Boots, Helmet, and gloves look cool or not....:-D
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And there is a LOT more to it than just counter-steering...you need to look "through" the turn, you need to apply pressure with your inner thigh/foot peg, you need to move your body in the direction of the turn....its more than just sitting straight up in front of the bars and "pushing" them.
Best advice I have been given is try to "kiss your mirrors" when you are leaning into a turn...basically if you move your head towards your mirror (on the side you are turning into) the rest will pretty much take care of itself...all the while applying pressure to the bars in direction you are turning...
Also, to turn tighter you ACCELERATE, not hit the brakes...when you feel you may not make the turn you need to actually give it gas so it will unload the front end and you will actually get tighter turn radius...yeah, it goes against ALL your reflexes...but if you practice it will become 2nd nature...
My MSF course was preaching Look, Lean, Roll
Look - look thorugh the turn
Lean - get the proper lean angle, lean your body inwards
Roll - roll onto the throttle...
Best advice I have been given is try to "kiss your mirrors" when you are leaning into a turn...basically if you move your head towards your mirror (on the side you are turning into) the rest will pretty much take care of itself...all the while applying pressure to the bars in direction you are turning...
Also, to turn tighter you ACCELERATE, not hit the brakes...when you feel you may not make the turn you need to actually give it gas so it will unload the front end and you will actually get tighter turn radius...yeah, it goes against ALL your reflexes...but if you practice it will become 2nd nature...
My MSF course was preaching Look, Lean, Roll
Look - look thorugh the turn
Lean - get the proper lean angle, lean your body inwards
Roll - roll onto the throttle...
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LOLZ....yeah...I mean if the guy has been riding he should already know most of this....trying to hash out how to ride and saying that us explaining someone what counter-steering is on a forum is dangerous is kind of ridiculous...just go out and ride the thing and actually look at what you are doing...if you successfully maneuvered any turn over 30 mph you have already counter-steered but didnt realize what you were doing...so pay attention to what you are doing and quit worrying about if your brand new Harley emblazoned leather Jacket, Chaps, Boots, Helmet, and gloves look cool or not....:-D
Last edited by MikerR1; Oct 12, 2016 at 07:44 AM.
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Op, don't overthink this stuff. Just like recommended, get out there and practice it. Every highway you ride will present its own different set of challenges. Not to be critical of you, but almost sounds like a bit of confidence issue in yourself at times. Got to overcome it man. This could even come from a bike handling concern. Make certain it's well squared away.
Stay safe and enjoy the ride
Stay safe and enjoy the ride
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Op, don't overthink this stuff. Just like recommended, get out there and practice it. Every highway you ride will present its own different set of challenges. Not to be critical of you, but almost sounds like a bit of confidence issue in yourself at times. Got to overcome it man. This could even come from a bike handling concern. Make certain it's well squared away.
Stay safe and enjoy the ride
Stay safe and enjoy the ride