Counter-steering
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Originally Posted by rjg883c
So you are saying is that in a fast continuous right turn we don't turn slightly left to prevent high siding or turn right in a left turn for the same reason? Obviously you still haven't gone for a ride and looked at your triple clamp during a fast turn. In this case you don't "You counter-steer to change you lean angle", you counter-steer to prevent a highside. And it is not "monentary". Unless, such as with 'counter steering', you have your own definition of 'momentary'.
Do you really not understand centrifugal force?
Troll.
I'm curious why you put so much faith in the post by bwoltz instead of posts by other people? You could end this by simply going for a ride. Getting a little actual experience would clarify the issue for you. But you do make a good point with '"Momentary" means for as long as necessary to fix the problem.'.
In this case the 'problem' is a preventing a highside. And that is a possibility for the length of a curve.
So you are saying is that in a fast continuous right turn we don't turn slightly left to prevent high siding or turn right in a left turn for the same reason? Obviously you still haven't gone for a ride and looked at your triple clamp during a fast turn. In this case you don't "You counter-steer to change you lean angle", you counter-steer to prevent a highside. And it is not "monentary". Unless, such as with 'counter steering', you have your own definition of 'momentary'.
Do you really not understand centrifugal force?
Troll.
As bwoltz pointed out, if you are in a turn, your wheel is going to be pointed to the inside if you are not counter-steering.
I did not mean to imply that you cannot counter-steer to prevent a high side or low side. "Momentary" means for as long as necessary to fix the problem.
I did not mean to imply that you cannot counter-steer to prevent a high side or low side. "Momentary" means for as long as necessary to fix the problem.
In this case the 'problem' is a preventing a highside. And that is a possibility for the length of a curve.
Last edited by rjg883c; Oct 24, 2016 at 03:13 PM.
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I'm curious why you put so much faith in the post by bwoltz instead of posts by other people? You could end this by simply going for a ride. Getting a little actual experience would clarify the issue for you. But you do make a good point with '"Momentary" means for as long as necessary to fix the problem.'.
In this case the 'problem' is a preventing a highside. And that is a possibility for the length of a curve.
In this case the 'problem' is a preventing a highside. And that is a possibility for the length of a curve.
Because the truth has a certain ring to it. The post by bwoltz is simple and eloquent. It encapsulates the meaning of counter-steering.
Here is his post
"Not sure what curve you are talking about but the statement really means that the wheel is turned into the corner and following the radius of the turn.. Tire contact will be outside the center gravity (CG) radius. The point was that the front wheel is no longer counter-steering but is turned in the corner. It won't be tighter than the radius of the corner of the CG radius..(except possibly at the exit to bring the tire contact patches back under the CG)
All counter-steer does is upset the balance of the motorcycle/rider so it falls over. As the motorcycles falls, you turn into corner to balance the centrifugal force of the turn with the horizontal force caused by the offset of the CG from the tire contact patches.. This is all simple physics and balancing of horizontal force vectors to keep the bike from falling over or high siding."
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I can't believe this is still going on. I read every post on this thread last week. (Entertaining for sure) And it took all week!
I went out and tried most everything posted in this thread. Yep, I was right... guitar fish and the others know what they are saying. I'm gonna go ride again. Maybe I'll make the infamous ignore list.
By the way, should I put the self counter steering blade on my lawnmower? I was told that it would help it mow in a circle.
I went out and tried most everything posted in this thread. Yep, I was right... guitar fish and the others know what they are saying. I'm gonna go ride again. Maybe I'll make the infamous ignore list.
By the way, should I put the self counter steering blade on my lawnmower? I was told that it would help it mow in a circle.
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