I purchased a 2017 CVO Breakout FXSE in Michigan and it's due to be delivered on Wednesday 1-27-21. I will be adding a Trask 2 into 1 stainless exhaust system to the bike. I would like a plug and play tuner with auto tune capability, bike has the 6 pin CANBUS diagnostic plug.

I have a PC III on the 2003 Night Train and a Thundermax on the CVO Road King. This time I want simplicity, call FuelMoto, order a tuner, have them pre-load a map, plug it in and ride off letting the autotune do it's thing!

Any and all recommendations most highly appreciated, thank you in advance.

 

I've been reading up on these myself lately and should I ever decide to replace my SE Pro Super Tuner my choice would be the TTS Mastertune.
I've been playing with the software of it and the PV and it's my thought that the TTS is a more capable product, especially when auto, smart, whatever tuning. The person who created it has the distinct advantage of knowing the Harley Delphi ECM and how it works being involved with designing it and Harley's first flash tuner the SERT.
Just getting the right canned map for the PV, especially for performance builds, can be hit and miss because it doesnt understand how the Harley Delphi works as well as the TTS when it comes to certain parameters.
Not that the PV isn't a good tuner. Just my personal opinion the TTS is better and will enable you to get a tune closer to that of a dyno tune better/easier than the PV.
The PV has it's following but not necessarily because it's the best.
It does have it's advantages tho in some respects. One being it's self contained and no laptop is needed and it has an easy user interface.
Having used the SERT and the SE Pro Super Tuner(also a capable but no longer available tuner) I'm more comfortable with the TTS and it's terminology.

Just my

Long read but This Thread might help better explain the differences between the TTS and PV.

Happy tuning!

 

If your not adding cam's heads, pistons etc... The PV will do a very good job and is very user friendly....

 

We have extensive experience tuning the CVO 110 engines, Dynojet Power Vision will work excellent in your application and we can provide a suitable map for your combination no problem. We're happy to help before & after the sale with any necessary tuning or technical assistance, you can also visit the Power Vision section on our FM University technical site for helpful articles, videos, and tips on using the product > https://university.fuelmotousa.com/s...-power-vision/

 

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What about the guy that buys a tuner online somewhere or it comes with the bike he bought and he doesn't want to have to rely on you or anyone else for a base cal. Is he able to choose base cals for his configuration or any future configurations based on all the parameters/tables you are?
Do they see and are they able to edit the actual numbers or just the amount of change to the base cal?

Do you think dyno quality tunes can be done using this tuner? Are all the necessary tools available to everyone?
Seems there would be a conflict of interest as someone who dyno tunes for a living and has $$$ invested in that dyno to offer a tuner and assistance in getting a dyno quality tune?
Seems to be arguments for both sides given the amount of shoddy dyno tuners out there. Curious where you stand on it.

 

Gunner, are you on crack?
while i do agree that the TTS is the most powerful unit on the market, you should do more homework before posting crap like that.
base cals or canned cals can be downloaded from the unit or the DJ website, or if you can request onr from DJ through email, just send them your specs.
yes dyno tune quality tunes can be done with the PV.
the PV also datalogs, so the bike can be tuned without a dyno.
why dont you try getting some experience with something before you start posting about it?
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Power Vision is the tuner of choice for many top dyno tuning shops as well as individuals performing their own tuning. Support is not limited to where it was purchased; tunes and software can be downloaded from the Dynojet website, they also have a support portal, and Power Vision products are supported by in the hundreds (if not thousands) of Dynojet dyno tuning centers around the globe. Fuel Moto also offers high level support to our customers and dealer network.

Tune and software wise Power Vision has extensive tuning definitions and the maps are fully adjustable by the user. Depending on the year/model bike and tune build strategy you typically have access to 80+ tuning tables. You also have two different available software platforms; WinPv and PowerCore. If you want to take a test drive you can download the actual tunes & software at https://www.dynojet.com/

Power Vision is also the only tuning device with the ability to integrate directly into the Dynojet Dynoware RT dyno hardware. Power Vision plugs in and streams HD ECM data into the Power Core dyno control, data center, & tuning software, you can also integrate peripherals such as wideband O2's from AT-Pro, Target Tune, any other Dynojet wideband device, or you can use the wideband O2's from the dyno itself. There's also a handful of tuning utilities to assist the tuning process including Tune Lab which even allows users to write their own tune routines, scripts, & corrections.

 

thank you J, you are a much more patient soul than I.
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Hold on there cowboy...speak when you're spoke to unless you're speaking on behalf of FM and Dynojet.

My questions were asked for a specific purpose relating to someone's experience after buying a bike with a PV that had obvious tuning issues and the responses he got after I sent him to FM for help with a map or at least timing and VE tables as they related to his stage 2 bike. I had no desire at the time to even download the software anymore than I cared to download the TTS software. I wish I knew then about the crank tooth setting issue because he did have a high map at idle. Something like 48 as I recall. Probably why some still need to send back base cals for you to change?

Fast forward... having dealt with my own issue there when trying to get dyno tuned with a very capable SE Pro Super Tuner and the response I got back then which I'll get into at a later, and I'm looking for a tuner easier to get that dyno quality tune without a dyno.

As it happens, I was able to contact this guy again and we're collaborating on doing a comparison given our circumstances and the fact we have 2 real similar stage 2 bikes. In fact the only difference will be the cams. 57H and 570s. These should both use an identical base cal no doubt? So I will be able to compare the 2, ease of getting them, ease of final tuning and how close they get to a final dyno tune.

Both will be returned to the stock tune first.

Should be a fun summer. I'll be doing both and I've never used either. We'll see which does a better job without a dyno because in the end, that's where they will both end up. On a dyno yet to be determined.

In the mean time, if you could kindly explain how the way the PV tunes is so much different than the TTS or the SE Pro Super Tuner. That's what I was told when I tried to get a dyno tune there. You tune with other tuners, but not those two and that you don't tune using VE tables.

Unlike many here, I want to know how it works. What it's doing and why. That's what I like about the TTS. It explains every parameter.

Just for the record, I didn't go into this pro TTS or anti PV. I want the one that's going to do the job best.
And I apologize to the OP. Didn't mean to hijack your thread.

 

again, you should hold your tongue until you get some experience with these products, on multiple motorcycles, BEFORE you start typing, unless you are asking questions to learn about these products and how the services are done. Jamie and all the folks at FM are great and have always been helpful to everyone that i've ever heard from.

as far as your attitude, cowboy,,,,you shouldn't speak until you know what you are talking about,,,,,Pauley want a cracker??
i try to be as helpful to people as I possibly can, but the crap that you say can lead another person down a very expensive, frustrating and potential physically harmful situation. maybe you should consider that for a minute.
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