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I wish there was an "average function" built into WinPV. Or at the very least, the ability to copy and paste tables. After running some O2 logs using a couple of different maps I wanted something in between two of them. I manually entered all the tables into Excel, averaged them there, then re-entered them manually into PV. The new map still needs a little tweaking but works well as is. It was just a bit of a pain doing it that way. If anyone knows a different, faster, easier, way of averaging two maps please let me know.
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I wish there was an "average function" built into WinPV. Or at the very least, the ability to copy and paste tables.
After running some O2 logs using a couple of different maps I wanted something in between two of them. I manually entered all the tables into Excel, averaged them there, then re-entered them manually into PV. The new map still needs a little tweaking but works well as is. It was just a bit of a pain doing it that way. If anyone knows a different, faster, easier, way of averaging two maps please let me know.
After running some O2 logs using a couple of different maps I wanted something in between two of them. I manually entered all the tables into Excel, averaged them there, then re-entered them manually into PV. The new map still needs a little tweaking but works well as is. It was just a bit of a pain doing it that way. If anyone knows a different, faster, easier, way of averaging two maps please let me know.
There is no average function like you describe. If they did implement something like that I would want to see something that would allow it to average incrementally. IOW, I might want to select 40% so that it takes the first file (open) and puts the new value at 40% in-between it and the compared file. IOW, if the first value is 80 and the second 90, the result would be 84. If you want to average exactly you would enter 50%. I'll relay this suggestion to them.
For the time being you could open the file you want to change, then compare it with another one. When your cursor floats over a given cell it will show both, and you can average in your head or by external calculator and make the change right there. That's time-consuming if you must do a number of cells, but you likely won't be changing anything but the lower-end of the table(s), i.e. the cruise range. I don't ever mess with 80-100% TP because that's the power-end of the table and I don't want to compromise power. When I concentrate on gas mileage I change the cruise-range, which to me is 5-15% TP and 2k-3k RPM, then taper those changes from 20-60% TP. I.e., if the change at 15% is +10 I might go +8 @ 20%, +6 @ 40%, and +3 at 80%--something like that.
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Power Vision EFI
would you recommend this for an absolute beginner. I want something I can tune and go and not have to mess around with a lot. I also want something that I can grow with when I change things on my bike. I have a stock 2011 96 ci' Streetbob
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The Power Vision would be an excellent choice, and would certainly satisfy your requirement for both basic and advanced EFI programming. The user interface is simple to use, and the feature rich functions allow you to get your "geek" on as you build your bike.
-Dusty
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I have a 2002 Ultra which is stock clear down to the mufflers and has been for about 85K other then adjustable push rods and a K&N air filter in the stock breather box. Was wondering if any one has tried to do any tweaking with the Power Vision on a stock engine and if it was worth it or the stock map is as good as you can get? I am not really looking for more performance but better fuel mileage. My mileage is not bad now around 40 to 42 per gallon on the highway but would be nice if I could get more.
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Iclick. Dont mess with where the timing is being actually pulled. Look a record or two BEFORE the ECM pulls timing. Bus speed AND Vision speed is slower than the actual event that made the timing get pulled in the first place. By the time you see a record of timing being pulled... the event that forced that is past. See?
Also... try to change the matching VE if pulling a whole degree doesn't work. May like more fuel to quell that ping (increase VE like 2%, datalog.. 3% datalog, etc and up to 5%, THEN blend all the cells touching that cell half that %age).. If you run stock plugs and wires... it usually IS a real event. THIS is why I do NOT like canned maps... and I don't care WHO does em. Each bike IS different a teeny bit. Hopefully the Pro AT will help out a bunch.
Iclick... you ain't no PC guy anymore... GOOD!!! Ummm... some things will be need retought by you as you delve into this some more. The Delphi ECM is powerful and is simply different that those old 1909 PCs you've liked in the past. The first lesson is 'blending'. If adding a teeny bit of fuel to THAT one bad cell helps the ping... you need to remember that ALL cells are interlocking and effect each other for Timing AND VEs. It makes for a better mannered bike to blend a teeny bit. And it's NOT like making the fuel or timing more linear when viewing like on a PC... one cell actually effects the next cell's operation, because on a Delphi... there really isn't cells like we see on a computer or IS on a PC. It's WAY more than that... and it gets dumbed down to us to view and change. See? A PC actually uses cells... just like my 1989 TB Chevy did.... old timey Alpha-N crap. You are NOW dealing with a speed density system. TPS; RPM; AND.... MAP. The delphi is a LOAD based system and PCs turns that load based system back into an almost Alpha-N.... and IS my RANT on this forum... and I'm kinda a dick over it...
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I contacted Fuel Moto by e-mail last night about the availability of a map for my Heritage. They replied that I would get better throttle response and cooler running. I wasnt the cooler running because when I bought the bike it had the V&H Big Radius 2 into 2 pipes and the HD SE Heavy breather intake installed with no fuel adjustment.
The one thing I forgot to ask them was about fuel mileage. I am pretty well set on ordering this unless I would take a big hit on fuel consumption. In the old days when hopping up our cars we would put headers and larger jets in our carbs and as a result get we would get better gas mileage as long as we drove it right. Am I wrong to think this should apply to my bike as well?
Has anyone using this product and not hot rodding it checked their mileage? A comparison of before and after using similar riding styles would be great.
Michael
The one thing I forgot to ask them was about fuel mileage. I am pretty well set on ordering this unless I would take a big hit on fuel consumption. In the old days when hopping up our cars we would put headers and larger jets in our carbs and as a result get we would get better gas mileage as long as we drove it right. Am I wrong to think this should apply to my bike as well?
Has anyone using this product and not hot rodding it checked their mileage? A comparison of before and after using similar riding styles would be great.
Michael
Overall, I think the bike runs/accelerates much smoother than before I got the PV and Fuel Moto tune. After riding during a couple of 90 degree days this week, I do not think that it runs any cooler than with my Stage 1 download. I still have some hunting/surging in 2nd + 3rd gear at low RPM that I would like to get rid of. I attribute this problem to the O2 sensors (the Fuel Moto tune that I have still has the bike running in closed-loop much of the time at cruising speed/steady throttle which stinks because this is where most of my riding is done). I sure wish the Auto-Tune basic software was available because I think that it might help me fix the problem.
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So they do not have any auto tune software yet? When is it suppose to be available? The only reason I am interested in it is to try and get better gas mailage and when I go to a 96 motor which will not be until my 88 is shout out. So far the stock settings have been fine for 85K miles.
I ask if any one tried one on a bone stock motor but I am guessing no on has.
I ask if any one tried one on a bone stock motor but I am guessing no on has.
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So they do not have any auto tune software yet? When is it suppose to be available? The only reason I am interested in it is to try and get better gas mailage and when I go to a 96 motor which will not be until my 88 is shout out. So far the stock settings have been fine for 85K miles.
I ask if any one tried one on a bone stock motor but I am guessing no on has.
I ask if any one tried one on a bone stock motor but I am guessing no on has.
Last edited by 883_dave; Apr 3, 2011 at 09:06 PM.