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I would also suggest that there should be some mechanism for renaming a tune file in the 6 slots. Are they giving you any sense of timing for the NB sensor "basic" auto tune?
I haven't asked about AT, either Pro or Basic, but I will. I don't plan on using Basic, but I have AT-100 installed ready to connect once the software and cable is made available.
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Thanks...I was able to change the tune file name in WinPV. If you're communicating with the developers, it would be a nice improvement to be able to modify the name of files right on the PV instead of needing to connect a laptop to the PV.
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I've played around with various selections, which has recently been Engine Temp. (front head), Throttle Position, MAP, and one of the Spark Retard signals (front or rear). I'm sure I will settle on ET, TP, MAP, and MPG with the new FW--and I'm excited about the MPG gauge. If they develop both instant and average MPG gauges I will display these two plus Engine Temp for sure, then either TP or MAP, probably TP. I now have TP and MAP up now so I can compare the relationship.
I just re-read the email describing the features for the beta FW and software and it will allow deletion of tunes from the PV using WinPV. When you "Get Tune" the list will appear with a new Delete button. So, you can delete any one and "Empty" will show thereafter.
I haven't asked about AT, either Pro or Basic, but I will. I don't plan on using Basic, but I have AT-100 installed ready to connect once the software and cable is made available.
I just re-read the email describing the features for the beta FW and software and it will allow deletion of tunes from the PV using WinPV. When you "Get Tune" the list will appear with a new Delete button. So, you can delete any one and "Empty" will show thereafter.
I haven't asked about AT, either Pro or Basic, but I will. I don't plan on using Basic, but I have AT-100 installed ready to connect once the software and cable is made available.
I was pleased with the Smarttune improvements and am hopeful that logging data runs on the PV and then using the Basic AT software against the logged runs will result in a map that has sharper throttle response and smoother acceleration. Smarttune achieved that however it was always a hastle with the laptop. It will be nice to store data and tune on the road without having to return home to my laptop.
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It's impressive how responsive this PV team is to user input, as I suggested the instant and resetable MPG gauges, return to last gauge state at boot-up, and tune-deletion only a few days ago and all except the average MPG gauge have apparently been implemented successfully in the latest beta-FW.
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I don't think the upcoming FW will give you the ability to do anything from the PV, but rather through WinPV, which is fine for my needs. The beta-FW has a delete button in the Get Tune dialog box, which will do most of what we need, I think. If you don't like the slot a tune is in, just delete it and using Send Tune put the tune loaded in WinPV in the slot you want. I don't think I would ever feel the need to change the name of a tune or move it to another slot while on the road, although I do carry my netbook computer with me on trips, so I could do it if necessary.
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Can anyone explain the differences between Autotune Basic and Autotune Pro? What should I be looking at for my 09? Why do they even make both? I realize they are not available for the PV yet, but when they are I'd like to be able to make the right decision.
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AT Basic is good because it uses the existing O2 sensors (software is to be provided as a free upload to the PV software). Downside is that it will be limited to making tuning adjustments inside the performance paramters of the NB sensors (essentially from about 0-3500 rpms and 0-70%kpa).
If you want to spend an additional $3-400 above the cost of the PV, you can swap out the stock O2 sensors with new Wide Band O2 sensors plus the AT-100 module that must be plugged into the new WB sensors and the ECU. With this setup, the AT Pro software (plus AT-100 module and WB sensors) will be able to make tuning adjustments to the VE tables across the entire RPM and Throttle ranges.
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Heatwave did well explaining the differences as I understand them.
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In a future firmware version, probably the next one, we'll see more enhancements:
I'm not sure about the last three, but the first will be a welcome addition for me since I'm an ardent gas-mileage watcher. At this time this gauge will show average MPG, updated continually, which is apparently reset every time you start the bike. I would like to see a more interactive reset method, like the ability to restart the process while riding, as well as an instant MPG gauge, and I've relayed those suggestions to them. An instant display would be more useful to me than an average reading, as in datalogging I would be able to isolate what conditions contribute to mileage negatively and positively. It would be nice to have both.
- Average MPG gauge and datalogging signal.
- J1850 datalogging sampling rate improved (never log more than you need to if possible).
- CAN datalogging / channel support
- CAN flash support
I'm not sure about the last three, but the first will be a welcome addition for me since I'm an ardent gas-mileage watcher. At this time this gauge will show average MPG, updated continually, which is apparently reset every time you start the bike. I would like to see a more interactive reset method, like the ability to restart the process while riding, as well as an instant MPG gauge, and I've relayed those suggestions to them. An instant display would be more useful to me than an average reading, as in datalogging I would be able to isolate what conditions contribute to mileage negatively and positively. It would be nice to have both.
OBTW, outstanding write-up on the PV iClick!!!
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The is simply software that will be downloaded to the PV. With this AT Basic, you'll be able to capture data from you're riding and then use the AT Basic in conjuction with the stock Narrow Band O2 sensors to make adjustments to the VE tables. These adjustments will be determined by programmed algorithyms to achieve actual performance that results in AFRs that are better matched to the one's designated in the bike's map.
AT Basic is good because it uses the existing O2 sensors (software is to be provided as a free upload to the PV software). Downside is that it will be limited to making tuning adjustments inside the performance paramters of the NB sensors (essentially from about 0-3500 rpms and 0-70%kpa).
If you want to spend an additional $3-400 above the cost of the PV, you can swap out the stock O2 sensors with new Wide Band O2 sensors plus the AT-100 module that must be plugged into the new WB sensors and the ECU. With this setup, the AT Pro software (plus AT-100 module and WB sensors) will be able to make tuning adjustments to the VE tables across the entire RPM and Throttle ranges.
AT Basic is good because it uses the existing O2 sensors (software is to be provided as a free upload to the PV software). Downside is that it will be limited to making tuning adjustments inside the performance paramters of the NB sensors (essentially from about 0-3500 rpms and 0-70%kpa).
If you want to spend an additional $3-400 above the cost of the PV, you can swap out the stock O2 sensors with new Wide Band O2 sensors plus the AT-100 module that must be plugged into the new WB sensors and the ECU. With this setup, the AT Pro software (plus AT-100 module and WB sensors) will be able to make tuning adjustments to the VE tables across the entire RPM and Throttle ranges.