Power Vision Information Thread
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yes and I bet next year everything will be CAN it only makes good sense to be ready for it.
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How user friendly is this? I'm fine to turn a wrench but not so swift with the high tech end of things. I dont own a laptop. I sure would like to get some more power and have my bike tuned properly. I blew a motor in a yamaha from not having it tuned properly and running the snot out of it. It's a bad day when your 300 miles from home doing 100 mph down the highway and you scater the motor.
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How user friendly is this? I'm fine to turn a wrench but not so swift with the high tech end of things. I dont own a laptop. I sure would like to get some more power and have my bike tuned properly. I blew a motor in a yamaha from not having it tuned properly and running the snot out of it. It's a bad day when your 300 miles from home doing 100 mph down the highway and you scater the motor.
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You would probably be better-off with a PCV from Fuel Moto, which is a plug-and-play device that doesn't require a computer. It will have a map installed for your bike and added hardware. Other alternatives would be a PV or other flash-based tuner and have a competent tech perform a dyno-tune, but that's a more expensive option. If you don't plan on using the capabilities of the PV or other feature-rich tuner I don't think you should waste your money on one. My 2˘.
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The PCV can be unplugged and removed in a minute. Buy one from an on-line outfit like Fuel Moto and the dealer won't know the difference.
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The PCV requires a computer/laptop to install and make changes to your tune. The PV does not require a computer/laptop to make modifications to your tune - it can be done using the interface provided. At least that's how the sales literature reads - I haven't had time to play with this capability, yet.
Regardless of the route you go (PV or PCV), if you buy from Fuel Moto you will also receive a tune specific to your bike's setup (e.g., cams, intake, exhaust, etc.). You wont need to touch anything if you are happy with the tune Fuel Moto provides. If you aren't happy with the tune on the PV, Fuel Moto offers excellent support and they will work with you to get your tune right. If you aren't happy with the tune on the PCV I suspect your only option (without a computer/laptop) would be to send the PCV to Fuel Moto for modifications.
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Absolutely not, and that is an option. For your dealer to deny your warranty for a PCV install is not only unethical but flies in the face of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. I suspect that they likely want to sell you a SEPST which probably has a bigger profit-margin for them. By contrast, my local dealer prominently displays PCV's in the parts dept. and their techs even prefer them over other tuners. That preference will vary from dealer to dealer, but none should deny your warranty out-of-hand like yours has.
The PCV can be unplugged and removed in a minute. Buy one from an on-line outfit like Fuel Moto and the dealer won't know the difference.
The PCV can be unplugged and removed in a minute. Buy one from an on-line outfit like Fuel Moto and the dealer won't know the difference.
On the other hand a decent dealer should be able to run interference.
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For me, maintaining warranty isn't as important as having fun with my bike. I installed cams, intake, exhaust, etc. when the bike was nearly new and I expected a certain lack of concern from the dealer when I had problems. What I found out is my dealer has been incredibly understanding - YMMV.
One thing I didn't expect was... I'll make my long story very short.... I was refused service by Butte H-D because I was running a PCV. I wasn't even looking for warranty work, although it could have been covered. I simply wanted my bike fixed and I told them I didn't care what the cost was. They wouldn't touch it until the PCV was removed. Here is where I cut the story short - I never got the work done at Butte H-D.
What I learned:
1 - Stay away from Butte H-D.
2 - Stay away from Butte H-D at all cost.
3 - Dealers may refuse to work on your bike for various reasons. Butte H-D was wrong to refuse to work on my bike, even according to H-D, but this was determined long after I was left stranded on the interstate. I could have quoted the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act as much as I wanted - I was still stranded.
I have hesitated posting this story because it could be perceived as a warning against installing a PCV. This is not the case at all! It could have been something as simple as a non-H-D sparkplug that triggered the bizarre reaction from Butte H-D.
Maybe I should post the whole story as a heads up to others. It sure opened my eyes.
One thing I didn't expect was... I'll make my long story very short.... I was refused service by Butte H-D because I was running a PCV. I wasn't even looking for warranty work, although it could have been covered. I simply wanted my bike fixed and I told them I didn't care what the cost was. They wouldn't touch it until the PCV was removed. Here is where I cut the story short - I never got the work done at Butte H-D.
What I learned:
1 - Stay away from Butte H-D.
2 - Stay away from Butte H-D at all cost.
3 - Dealers may refuse to work on your bike for various reasons. Butte H-D was wrong to refuse to work on my bike, even according to H-D, but this was determined long after I was left stranded on the interstate. I could have quoted the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act as much as I wanted - I was still stranded.
I have hesitated posting this story because it could be perceived as a warning against installing a PCV. This is not the case at all! It could have been something as simple as a non-H-D sparkplug that triggered the bizarre reaction from Butte H-D.
Maybe I should post the whole story as a heads up to others. It sure opened my eyes.
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Actually Thunderbolt is a good dealer, here is the story I got. Apparetly they got in trouble for doing warranty work that the moco did not agree with and were made aware that a moco rep could come in at anytime and jerk thier dealership. I doubt they cared to loose thier dealership over a PCV. You could have removed the PCV and been fine.
Your bad luck to break down probably occured right after they got spanked and were still walking on thin ice.
Your bad luck to break down probably occured right after they got spanked and were still walking on thin ice.
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Actually Thunderbolt is a good dealer, here is the story I got. Apparetly they got in trouble for doing warranty work that the moco did not agree with and were made aware that a moco rep could come in at anytime and jerk thier dealership. I doubt they cared to loose thier dealership over a PCV. You could have removed the PCV and been fine.
Your bad luck to break down probably occured right after they got spanked and were still walking on thin ice.
Your bad luck to break down probably occured right after they got spanked and were still walking on thin ice.
Screw that! I went to Missoula H-D (After having a total failure on the interstate and getting the bike towed at my expense.). BTW - I received excellent service from Missoula H-D. I was back on the road in a couple of hours after they determined it was a broken wire to the throttle body.
You really can't be defending this dealership when they will do that to a rider. You actually need the whole story, it's worse than the short summary I just posted.