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Jamie, can you confirm what parameters the PV is limited to tuning directly without having to use a laptop and WinPV? I have to say I'm somewhat surprised that the PV would be so limited at launch to the 2 rather insignificant parameters I currently see in edit mode. Can you please confirm what the limited parameters are that are available for tuning directly through the PV (ie without need for WinPV). Thanks
I would much rather do any tune editing on the computer, as I can't imagine doing that type of thing on the road, except maybe while sitting in a motel parking lot with the netbook computer attached.
Since DJ is obviously protecting us from ourselves by limiting the editing functions from the PV, I guess we'll just have to wait. I don't think I would ever do any serious editing of the VE tables, for example, on the PV unit--but I guess it'd be nice to be able to. I would think some settings like speedometer calibration should be in there now.
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The button is for putting it in recovery/bootloader mode when doing a firmware recovery. This is done via the Update Client, and when this is necessary you will be prompted to do so when necessary. I haven't done this yet, so that's all I know.
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Actually, I find making changes on the PV a bit irritating, as the bike's ignition must be on during the process. That means the light is on, the QH bulb is burning below its ideal voltage (bad for the bulb), and the battery is draining. BTW I always put it on low-beam for this because of the lower current draw, and have even pulled the headlight fuse a few times, most-notably before the initialization process that takes a bit of time.
I would much rather do any tune editing on the computer, as I can't imagine doing that type of thing on the road, except maybe while sitting in a motel parking lot with the netbook computer attached.
Since DJ is obviously protecting us from ourselves by limiting the editing functions from the PV, I guess we'll just have to wait. I don't think I would ever do any serious editing of the VE tables, for example, on the PV unit--but I guess it'd be nice to be able to. I would think some settings like speedometer calibration should be in there now.
I would much rather do any tune editing on the computer, as I can't imagine doing that type of thing on the road, except maybe while sitting in a motel parking lot with the netbook computer attached.
Since DJ is obviously protecting us from ourselves by limiting the editing functions from the PV, I guess we'll just have to wait. I don't think I would ever do any serious editing of the VE tables, for example, on the PV unit--but I guess it'd be nice to be able to. I would think some settings like speedometer calibration should be in there now.
As it's currently setup that's not possible. The user will have to make all changes on a laptop, even the smallest adjustments. As Jamie said, this is part of the launch strategy for now, however it does limit one of the more powerful advantages of this type of tuning device over the alternatives.
I assume that once they release the basic auto tune, that this type of tuning to an existing map will not require the use of a laptop.
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I've opened a dialog with a representative at DJ via email and have been getting some good info. He said the two suggestions I had made, being able to delete individual tunes and returning to the same screen state at start-up, would be submitted to the "to do" list. He said the first was easy to implement but the second was not, and he indicated a willingness to make the product as versatile and ergonomic as possible. I think they're listening closely to the end-user, which is good for everybody.
Regarding the items available for editing on the PV, only two at this time, they are working on an upgrade with new items included. Here's the email I got this afternoon:
The "End User Adjustable Options" that should be exposed on the PV (we call them PV-EUAO's). At this point, there will only be 2 things to tweak on the PV, and those would be Idle RPM Adder and RPM Limit. We'll be adding new "PV-EAOU's" in the coming weeks. Right now you have "Basic1", but we'll be rolling out "Basic2" in the near future.
EUAO, Basic 2
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RPM Limit
Speedometer Calibration
Knock Control
Adaptive Control
Idle RPM Adder
Acceleration Enrichment Multiplier
Deceleration Enrichment Multiplier
Global Fuel Adjustment
Global Spark Adjustment, Front & Rear
Fuel Adder, Low
Fuel Adder, Med
Fuel Adder, High
Spark Adder, Low
Spark Adder, Med
Spark Adder High
I'm not sure what some of these will do, but I'm sure we'll find out. It looks like some are global rather than detailed adjustments, a digital version of the faceplate "button adjusters" we saw on the PCIII. I have a feeling we won't see some tables adjustable from the PV, like VE, as I don't know how you would display all those numbers on such a small screen, much less having some way to change them.
BTW, I think "Deceleration Enrichment" should read "Deceleration Enleanment."
Regarding the items available for editing on the PV, only two at this time, they are working on an upgrade with new items included. Here's the email I got this afternoon:
The "End User Adjustable Options" that should be exposed on the PV (we call them PV-EUAO's). At this point, there will only be 2 things to tweak on the PV, and those would be Idle RPM Adder and RPM Limit. We'll be adding new "PV-EAOU's" in the coming weeks. Right now you have "Basic1", but we'll be rolling out "Basic2" in the near future.
EUAO, Basic 2
-------------------------------------------
RPM Limit
Speedometer Calibration
Knock Control
Adaptive Control
Idle RPM Adder
Acceleration Enrichment Multiplier
Deceleration Enrichment Multiplier
Global Fuel Adjustment
Global Spark Adjustment, Front & Rear
Fuel Adder, Low
Fuel Adder, Med
Fuel Adder, High
Spark Adder, Low
Spark Adder, Med
Spark Adder High
I'm not sure what some of these will do, but I'm sure we'll find out. It looks like some are global rather than detailed adjustments, a digital version of the faceplate "button adjusters" we saw on the PCIII. I have a feeling we won't see some tables adjustable from the PV, like VE, as I don't know how you would display all those numbers on such a small screen, much less having some way to change them.
BTW, I think "Deceleration Enrichment" should read "Deceleration Enleanment."
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I am happy for threads like this that help keep me patient some what as I wait. I ordered cams, PV from fuel moto Cams are on back order so I am in a holding pattern but anxious to get started. I am very much looking forward to starting out with the fuel moto tune.
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I've opened a dialog with a representative at DJ via email and have been getting some good info. He said the two suggestions I had made, being able to delete individual tunes and returning to the same screen state at start-up, would be submitted to the "to do" list. He said the first was easy to implement but the second was not, and he indicated a willingness to make the product as versatile and ergonomic as possible. I think they're listening closely to the end-user, which is good for everybody.
Regarding the items available for editing on the PV, only two at this time, they are working on an upgrade with new items included. Here's the email I got this afternoon:
The "End User Adjustable Options" that should be exposed on the PV (we call them PV-EUAO's). At this point, there will only be 2 things to tweak on the PV, and those would be Idle RPM Adder and RPM Limit. We'll be adding new "PV-EAOU's" in the coming weeks. Right now you have "Basic1", but we'll be rolling out "Basic2" in the near future.
EUAO, Basic 2
-------------------------------------------
RPM Limit
Speedometer Calibration
Knock Control
Adaptive Control
Idle RPM Adder
Acceleration Enrichment Multiplier
Deceleration Enrichment Multiplier
Global Fuel Adjustment
Global Spark Adjustment, Front & Rear
Fuel Adder, Low
Fuel Adder, Med
Fuel Adder, High
Spark Adder, Low
Spark Adder, Med
Spark Adder High
I'm not sure what some of these will do, but I'm sure we'll find out. It looks like some are global rather than detailed adjustments, a digital version of the faceplate "button adjusters" we saw on the PCIII. I have a feeling we won't see some tables adjustable from the PV, like VE, as I don't know how you would display all those numbers on such a small screen, much less having some way to change them.
BTW, I think "Deceleration Enrichment" should read "Deceleration Enleanment."
Regarding the items available for editing on the PV, only two at this time, they are working on an upgrade with new items included. Here's the email I got this afternoon:
The "End User Adjustable Options" that should be exposed on the PV (we call them PV-EUAO's). At this point, there will only be 2 things to tweak on the PV, and those would be Idle RPM Adder and RPM Limit. We'll be adding new "PV-EAOU's" in the coming weeks. Right now you have "Basic1", but we'll be rolling out "Basic2" in the near future.
EUAO, Basic 2
-------------------------------------------
RPM Limit
Speedometer Calibration
Knock Control
Adaptive Control
Idle RPM Adder
Acceleration Enrichment Multiplier
Deceleration Enrichment Multiplier
Global Fuel Adjustment
Global Spark Adjustment, Front & Rear
Fuel Adder, Low
Fuel Adder, Med
Fuel Adder, High
Spark Adder, Low
Spark Adder, Med
Spark Adder High
I'm not sure what some of these will do, but I'm sure we'll find out. It looks like some are global rather than detailed adjustments, a digital version of the faceplate "button adjusters" we saw on the PCIII. I have a feeling we won't see some tables adjustable from the PV, like VE, as I don't know how you would display all those numbers on such a small screen, much less having some way to change them.
BTW, I think "Deceleration Enrichment" should read "Deceleration Enleanment."
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The spark adder should be interesteing when combined with a knock control guage showing whether raising the spark results in any knock we seeing if there is any performance increases. The Global spark adjuster could also be helpful when running a tune set for 93 octane and getting stuck with poor fuel. If you hear any knock or see any on one of the guage setups, you could globally lower the spark in a working map and download for some knock protection without the "heavy hand" of the Knock control.
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In a future firmware version, probably the next one, we'll see more enhancements:
I'm not sure about the last three, but the first will be a welcome addition for me since I'm an ardent gas-mileage watcher. At this time this gauge will show average MPG, updated continually, which is apparently reset every time you start the bike. I would like to see a more interactive reset method, like the ability to restart the process while riding, as well as an instant MPG gauge, and I've relayed those suggestions to them. An instant display would be more useful to me than an average reading, as in datalogging I would be able to isolate what conditions contribute to mileage negatively and positively. It would be nice to have both.
- Average MPG gauge and datalogging signal.
- J1850 datalogging sampling rate improved (never log more than you need to if possible).
- CAN datalogging / channel support
- CAN flash support
I'm not sure about the last three, but the first will be a welcome addition for me since I'm an ardent gas-mileage watcher. At this time this gauge will show average MPG, updated continually, which is apparently reset every time you start the bike. I would like to see a more interactive reset method, like the ability to restart the process while riding, as well as an instant MPG gauge, and I've relayed those suggestions to them. An instant display would be more useful to me than an average reading, as in datalogging I would be able to isolate what conditions contribute to mileage negatively and positively. It would be nice to have both.
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In a future firmware version, probably the next one, we'll see more enhancements:
I'm not sure about the last three, but the first will be a welcome addition for me since I'm an ardent gas-mileage watcher. At this time this gauge will show average MPG, updated continually, which is apparently reset every time you start the bike. I would like to see a more interactive reset method, like the ability to restart the process while riding, as well as an instant MPG gauge, and I've relayed those suggestions to them. An instant display would be more useful to me than an average reading, as in datalogging I would be able to isolate what conditions contribute to mileage negatively and positively. It would be nice to have both.
- Average MPG gauge and datalogging signal.
- J1850 datalogging sampling rate improved (never log more than you need to if possible).
- CAN datalogging / channel support
- CAN flash support
I'm not sure about the last three, but the first will be a welcome addition for me since I'm an ardent gas-mileage watcher. At this time this gauge will show average MPG, updated continually, which is apparently reset every time you start the bike. I would like to see a more interactive reset method, like the ability to restart the process while riding, as well as an instant MPG gauge, and I've relayed those suggestions to them. An instant display would be more useful to me than an average reading, as in datalogging I would be able to isolate what conditions contribute to mileage negatively and positively. It would be nice to have both.
I believe everything is going to CAN.
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I think only '11 Softails have CAN now, so I guess they're the beta-testers like the '06 Dynas were for the hydraulic tensioners.