Power Vision Information Thread
Has anyone been able to get the log tuner to work with a Lambda of .979? This is suppose to be Closed loop, but it shows zero hits with every log I create. If I bump Lambda up to .981 and run some additional logs, I get hits.. I went back and tried .979, and get nothing... This is in the range Jamie mentioned, not sure why its not working...
I haven't tried, all my closed-loop cells are at .981. It should work, but the fact that it doesn't... I'd stay with what works. It IS good for us to keep checking those hit counts, to make sure we're getting enough info to the log (and log tuner). Each time that I make a new log, I ride the same 30 minute circuit. It has a mix of stop and go, with a tad of the turnpike. I try to do roll-ons in 6th gear at various RPM levels when I'm up there. When I go back down to street level, I work the off-idle, and try shifting at various RPMs.
There's still areas that I don't seem to get alot of hits, but not for lack of trying!
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Hmmm,
I haven't tried, all my closed-loop cells are at .981. It should work, but the fact that it doesn't... I'd stay with what works. It IS good for us to keep checking those hit counts, to make sure we're getting enough info to the log (and log tuner). Each time that I make a new log, I ride the same 30 minute circuit. It has a mix of stop and go, with a tad of the turnpike. I try to do roll-ons in 6th gear at various RPM levels when I'm up there. When I go back down to street level, I work the off-idle, and try shifting at various RPMs.
There's still areas that I don't seem to get alot of hits, but not for lack of trying!
I haven't tried, all my closed-loop cells are at .981. It should work, but the fact that it doesn't... I'd stay with what works. It IS good for us to keep checking those hit counts, to make sure we're getting enough info to the log (and log tuner). Each time that I make a new log, I ride the same 30 minute circuit. It has a mix of stop and go, with a tad of the turnpike. I try to do roll-ons in 6th gear at various RPM levels when I'm up there. When I go back down to street level, I work the off-idle, and try shifting at various RPMs.
There's still areas that I don't seem to get alot of hits, but not for lack of trying!
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I've been working with another map with lamda at .981 also. Made several runs(over 10) and keep making adjustments. The VE tables are pretty much dead on. What I can't get rid of are knock event. Every one of my runs has them in it no matter how much I remove from the spark table. Whats been your experience? Are all your runs completely "knock" free?
The only way that I have gone knock free was with 4deg removed from the entire block of 2250RPM @60kpa and beyond. I then gradually added more timing. I finally got knock today after putting 3deg back in to the whole region. However, the log tuner made no adjustments at all... I think b/c somehow my PV config got switched to metric mode and the log tuner is looking for "english". so all knocks wound up outside of the temp range (124c so the tuner thought it meant 124f and disregarded it). I will attempt again tomorrow and then begin trimming more timing. VE tables are getting adjusted based on my 50+mi interstate rides... but very little from my local rides.
Once I find a reasonable timing table I will set aside a day and do nothing but hone my tune in a more controlled area.
Due to the level of ping that we're getting I'm thinking that we are all still running rather lean. I'm not sure why the tuner isn't richening us out a good deal. It may have to do with load as the stock sensors can't accurately tune it.
noticed my Throttle position is a 6 as per the PV.. How can I reset it to zero using the PV ? Should it be at Zero at idle ?? can TP be reset to zero with the PV and if not, how do I reset the TP to Zero using WinPV ? will not having zero mess up the BASIC TUNE option ?
I finally got to do some riding today and loged a few data logs.. will review tomorrow.. i did have the PV Freeze on me after i stopped a LOG and then couldnt scroll to any screen.. I had to pull out main Cable to PV to reset and while riding and the all was ok again. i tried also to push the small red Button on the right of PV, but wouldnt do anything.. i thought it was a on/off button...
thanks for great thread... it gets more interesting as i tinker with the PV....
I finally got to do some riding today and loged a few data logs.. will review tomorrow.. i did have the PV Freeze on me after i stopped a LOG and then couldnt scroll to any screen.. I had to pull out main Cable to PV to reset and while riding and the all was ok again. i tried also to push the small red Button on the right of PV, but wouldnt do anything.. i thought it was a on/off button...
thanks for great thread... it gets more interesting as i tinker with the PV....
What I'm seeing in VE changes are as follows:
Compared to the original Fuel-Moto map, I've had value increases of 20-40 in the 20-30kpa ranges, and value increases of 16-24 in the 60-80kpa ranges. But like others have noted, it keeps taking more and more from the 35-50kpa ranges. Some cells in these areas are 10-15 less than my FM starting point. I'm not complaining, the bike runs really good.
My deltas are not zeroed-out yet, so I'll be making more runs tommorrow. If it ever gets to a point where it starts running worse, I'll know what to do. But so far, each round it runs better and better.
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WHen warm on the TBW bikes you should see 4.6-5 as tp. If the bike is cold you will see higher. If it's higher than 5 when warm it is probably from using the kill switch. It can be reset by cycling the ignition IIRC 4 times when the bike is warm.
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From: Rowlett, TX
future instructions it would help if defined lambda or AFR. Even if they are the same and similar it creates confusion. With the other tuner that lets not mention any more same problem in their instructions. Waste of time wading through the CLB instruction when my bike is a 2010. Be nice if it was turn to page 5 if your bike is 08+
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What temp, RPM, and throttle position are the knocks coming at... How aggressive? Are they being tamped down by Knock retard i.e. 4s then 3.5s.. then 3s etc?
The only way that I have gone knock free was with 4deg removed from the entire block of 2250RPM @60kpa and beyond. I then gradually added more timing. I finally got knock today after putting 3deg back in to the whole region. However, the log tuner made no adjustments at all... I think b/c somehow my PV config got switched to metric mode and the log tuner is looking for "english". so all knocks wound up outside of the temp range (124c so the tuner thought it meant 124f and disregarded it). I will attempt again tomorrow and then begin trimming more timing. VE tables are getting adjusted based on my 50+mi interstate rides... but very little from my local rides.
Once I find a reasonable timing table I will set aside a day and do nothing but hone my tune in a more controlled area.
Due to the level of ping that we're getting I'm thinking that we are all still running rather lean. I'm not sure why the tuner isn't richening us out a good deal. It may have to do with load as the stock sensors can't accurately tune it.
The only way that I have gone knock free was with 4deg removed from the entire block of 2250RPM @60kpa and beyond. I then gradually added more timing. I finally got knock today after putting 3deg back in to the whole region. However, the log tuner made no adjustments at all... I think b/c somehow my PV config got switched to metric mode and the log tuner is looking for "english". so all knocks wound up outside of the temp range (124c so the tuner thought it meant 124f and disregarded it). I will attempt again tomorrow and then begin trimming more timing. VE tables are getting adjusted based on my 50+mi interstate rides... but very little from my local rides.
Once I find a reasonable timing table I will set aside a day and do nothing but hone my tune in a more controlled area.
Due to the level of ping that we're getting I'm thinking that we are all still running rather lean. I'm not sure why the tuner isn't richening us out a good deal. It may have to do with load as the stock sensors can't accurately tune it.
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Ok I stand corrected but I know you all get my point. I wish we had one set of GOOD instruction that pertains to my bike with out the set back of confusion.
