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Jan 31, 2013 | 08:55 PM

#3711

HD Pilot

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Originally Posted by Uncle Chester

Basic stage 1, SE AC and freedom performance exhaust. Did a few auto tune sessions today to dial in the VE tables but that won't effect the AF ratio right?

It seems crazy that those 2 AFR maps come from HD and FM - to me they look like FM and not HD. My HD Stage 1 map does not look like your stock one at all. Any chance you accidently copied the same one twice?

Your AFR table will only be changed during Autotune, after Autotune the AFR table will return to how it was before the Autotune

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Jan 31, 2013 | 09:09 PM

#3712

Uncle Chester

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Originally Posted by alansummrs

It seems crazy that those 2 AFR maps come from HD and FM - to me they look like FM and not HD. My HD Stage 1 map does not look like your stock one at all. Any chance you accidently copied the same one twice?

Your AFR table will not change AFTER the Autotune, only DURING the Autotune.

Yeah the auto tune should only change the VE tables unless I totally missed something when I was reading up on it. As far as the maps go I am sure the one is the original. I just picked this bike up last May and was told from the dealer (for what that's worth) that it had the stage one flash and that was it. This is my first EFI bike so I'm still pretty stupid when it comes to most of this stuff. What had me wondering is some of the other fuel maps posted on the last couple of pages made this map look on the lean side and then I started comparing the two I had.

Jan 31, 2013 | 09:34 PM

#3713

HD Pilot

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Originally Posted by Uncle Chester

What is so neat about PV, is your ability to tinker with it. I agree the AFR tables you displayed have a very large Closed Loop area, and the CL area is always the leanest. On my FM AFR/ Lambda table the CL area ends as you go above 3500 rpm, and yours goes on to 4500. Plus the top right area of my table is OL where yours stayed in CL - although this is a area that is rarely driven in.

Anyway, if you want to adjust your AFR table a little based on your observations - go for it, if you dont like it you can always go back.

Jan 31, 2013 | 10:18 PM

#3714

Heatwave

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Originally Posted by Uncle Chester

Just got my PV and I was looking at my Fuelmoto map. Looks damn near like the stock af ratios. Didn't get a chance to give them a call today so until I get a chance I figured I would post it up here and see what you guys thought.

Here is the Fuelmoto map

Original tune

Any Input is appreciated since I know dick about tuning.

I think if you look at the VE tables you'll see that they are probably very different.

Feb 1, 2013 | 02:19 AM

#3715

Nocturnalnature

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Originally Posted by Heatwave

I think if you look at the VE tables you'll see that they are probably very different.

My Stage 1 HD map looks the same as Uncle Chester's. I too was surprised at how close the AFR values were when compared with the Map FuelMoto pre loaded the unit with. I then looked at the other tables and Heatwave is correct that there are pretty significant changes that have been made.

Uncle Chester,
If you want richer goto the Dynojet website and look for their performance map. It is quite a bit richer in the AFR cells than the Stage 1 map.
I'm gonna try them both and see which one the bike runs best with before autotuning.

Feb 1, 2013 | 09:04 AM

#3716

Uncle Chester

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Originally Posted by Nocturnalnature

I don't neccasarily want richer I am mostly curious and just trying to learn, like I said a few posts back I know dick about tuning. As far as the other tables go the biggest differance I think would be the fuel moto map has the closed loop bias set to 700 accross the board. I think this richens everything up in closed loop so the map I posted showing 14.6 closed loop is actually running richer?

Feb 1, 2013 | 03:00 PM

#3717

UltraNutZ

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Originally Posted by pauly3

Thanks for the reply. Those 2 AutoTunes are with the new exhaust and AC already installed. I guess I need to run a 3rd one to see what changes. Are my AFR values ok? Those are from the canned map provided by DynoJet.

or you could go look at your front door and your pipes are sitting there. :-) was cheaper to send them overnight than 2 day, ya believe that?