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Hey guys, I'm new to the Power Vision thing and trying to get started. I'm hoping some of you can kick-start me in the right direction.
2007 ElectraGlide Classic, with 40K miles. FuelMoto Package purchased in 07 that is a K&N filter and Supertrapp SE pipes and PCIII (originally).
This config has been running perfect and I would have just stayed with this, until my bike mysteriously blew an ECM fuse and when the fuse was replaced my PCIII would only fire a single cylinder. Long story made shorter after working with Jaime at FM, the answer was a PV.
So now I have installed my PV with the FM map Jaime pre loaded. It is labeled "Strategy 159". So I installed the Map and do not have the PV installed on the handlebars, and am really not there with that, unless I need to. I did replug in the stock sensors as instructed by Jaime. He seems to feel that is the best way to run these bikes, at least at my mod level with typical recreational riding.
After my initial first rides it runs very strong, maybe stronger that it did with the PCIII. But, it runs hotter. I have a McCowen Oil Temp gage and it is running at least 20'F hotter than previously with the PCIII, but it feels even hotter. It used to run approximately 200'F almost always and now it runs at least 215~220F, and hotter when I get on it and ride aggressively, but it doesn't go above 230'F. I should mention I am in New England with a fairly warm 80'F day on this and also running a Jagg Deluxe 5 row oil cooler. That's my only mods to this bike.
Power = excellent. But I'd like to get the temps down a bit.
I've been reading the help file, as this seems to be the only documentation for this device? I must say it leaves a LOT to be desired. For instance it doesn't state anyplace upfront when you need to have the PV connected to the bike and when not to do various different commands. It says you need to create a tune file, but doesn't say if you need to name it a specific file name or put it in a specific place. Doesn't really show you how at all.
So is there a Getting Started with Power Vision document, FAQ or anything that could help a beginner like me find my way around this thing? Also, is there a more generic white paper of document to explain a bit about how all these tables and settings work and interact together? Hopefully with a translation index of what all of these acronyms stand for? Like VE KPA etc?
I tried once to import my PCIII map to the power vision, because that ran pissa, but I guess that wasn't for "closed loop" so I'm not sure I can use it anyway and it was before I discovered I needed to set myself up as a Pro user and create some of these files etc.. so I'm not sure even how to do that. There are menus the documentation refers to that I guess you would only see on the Power Vision when connected to the bike. The documentation is never clear when it is referring to the menus on the PV as opposed to WinPV.
I had a similar problem, cruising at 2700 rpm, I added fuel in and around the cells that I was running in and it eliminated the pinging. You have a range in lambda for say 14.6 afr, could go low end 0.995 to high of 0.999. I also adjusted the cells around the pinging because as your running you draw from the cells around depending on the kpa your running in.
I don't get a lot of pinging, in fact, I have to try real hard to make it ping. The problem I am having is that the PV is not recording/logging any knock events.... even when I am able to make it knock purposely.
Bike only has 1400 miles on it and Jamie's map is pretty close. I just have to find out what's going on with the knock logging.
I had found the first one, but the Tuner Tools were very helpful as well.
This thread is so huge it feels like it needs it's own forum and multiple stickies.
best to read from the latest posts backwards, some issues they were dealing with early have been resolved...
very informative, like any other software ya have to do some education on your own but their is plenty of help at Fuelmoto.. good people there if you make the call...
I don't get a lot of pinging, in fact, I have to try real hard to make it ping. The problem I am having is that the PV is not recording/logging any knock events.... even when I am able to make it knock purposely.
Bike only has 1400 miles on it and Jamie's map is pretty close. I just have to find out what's going on with the knock logging.
Thanks for your input
I haven't had any knocking but I am sure they will get you straightened out...
Anyone know how low I can go on the acceleration enrichment value? I have it set at 1.00 and I'm getting some decel pop at sudden decel and gear change. I have a 09 street glide, SE stage 1 and 4" Rinehart true duals. The map was sent to me by Jaime at FM as a favor from him considering I didn't buy the PV from him and I feel bad asking him to tweak it for me to fix the popping. I spoke to someone at DJ and he had mentioned that I might want to change the value but I can't remember what he told me the limits were if there were any at all.
Anyone know how low I can go on the acceleration enrichment value? I have it set at 1.00 and I'm getting some decel pop at sudden decel and gear change. I have a 09 street glide, SE stage 1 and 4" Rinehart true duals. The map was sent to me by Jaime at FM as a favor from him considering I didn't buy the PV from him and I feel bad asking him to tweak it for me to fix the popping. I spoke to someone at DJ and he had mentioned that I might want to change the value but I can't remember what he told me the limits were if there were any at all.
Do you have the latest version of the PV Tuner Basic Instructions? I believe the latest version is 1.13. It was written by a forum member "JustDennis" and is extremely well written. You can get it here:
The last few pages go into depth on decel popping and the things you can do to reduce it or possibley eliminate it. It's a great document, check it out.
Anyone know how low I can go on the acceleration enrichment value? I have it set at 1.00 and I'm getting some decel pop at sudden decel and gear change. I have a 09 street glide, SE stage 1 and 4" Rinehart true duals. The map was sent to me by Jaime at FM as a favor from him considering I didn't buy the PV from him and I feel bad asking him to tweak it for me to fix the popping. I spoke to someone at DJ and he had mentioned that I might want to change the value but I can't remember what he told me the limits were if there were any at all.
In the decel enleanment table... lower the values by 5 or 10% at a time. I ended up lowering it a total of 25% before the popping between shifts finally quit....
I just ran my first couple of logs on my new 12' SG and I am not getting any knock events recorded..... all zero's in both front and rear tables and I have heard some slight pinging occasionally during the log run.
I have both front and rear spark knock channels set up for recording. Even looking at the .csv in Excel, all zero's under those two columns.
There has to be something very simple that I am overlooking, I never had any problems on the fatboy.
Any suggestions?
Make sure you have Limits and Switches > Knock Control set to "1" (enabled). Also, I think if Spark > Max Knock Retard is set to "0" it may achieve the same effect as the above set to "0" (disabled).
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