Power Vision Information Thread
Open WinPv, connect to your PV unit, select "Get Tune" and save each tune to your computer, you will need to name them. Then open the first tune by going to File>Open and select the tune, to load the tune you would like to compare now go to "Load Compare" and it will open up the second map for comparison. You can then see all of the differences under "Delta", also make sure you have the software in Pro Mode, you can go to Setup>Options>User Level>then select Pro instead of Basic
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OK, if it is actually stumbling we may need to add some fuel to this area first. For starters I would go into both VE tables and add 10% to your current values from 1250-2500 RPM in the 50kPa-100kPa areas. Once you have eliminating the stumble I would add 2-3 degrees of ignition timing in the same area. If you need any help you are welcome to contact me.
Road Master
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If the AFF and CLI is within a couple % your tune is right where it should be. A value of .98 tells us the ECM has pulled 2% fuel to match the closed loop target, the closed loop integrator (CLI) is a short term/real time fuel trim and the adaptive fuel factory (AFF or AFV) is a long term stored trim, however varies by resolution and block learn area. While it appears you are well within reasonable tune, if you want to work with the tune a bit you can do some logs and use the Log Tuner software to apply these normal corrections to your VE tables directly.
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Open WinPv, connect to your PV unit, select "Get Tune" and save each tune to your computer, you will need to name them. Then open the first tune by going to File>Open and select the tune, to load the tune you would like to compare now go to "Load Compare" and it will open up the second map for comparison. You can then see all of the differences under "Delta", also make sure you have the software in Pro Mode, you can go to Setup>Options>User Level>then select Pro instead of Basic
I don't know much about computers or motors, But I did stay at a Holiday Inn once. I didn't want to jack with anything, just wanted to make sure I was squared away with my original tune. Thanks Wes
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OK, if it is actually stumbling we may need to add some fuel to this area first. For starters I would go into both VE tables and add 10% to your current values from 1250-2500 RPM in the 50kPa-100kPa areas. Once you have eliminating the stumble I would add 2-3 degrees of ignition timing in the same area. If you need any help you are welcome to contact me.
I took it for a test run after I added 10% to the VE and 3 degrees timing tables as you mentioned. runs really smooth now but when I let off the throttle it seems there is no back pressure. Should I back off 1 or 2 degrees? Also should I continue to do tuning log runs?
Last edited by Teardrop; Jul 23, 2012 at 07:52 PM.
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New to the forum
Just wanted to chime in and reiterate how awesome my experience with everyone at Fuel Moto has been. I've read all 269 pages of comments and this forum has been extremely informative. I feel much better prepared to start datalogging and tweaking after I get some run time on my FM tune. Keep up the good work everyone!
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not recording knock events
I just ran my first couple of logs on my new 12' SG and I am not getting any knock events recorded..... all zero's in both front and rear tables and I have heard some slight pinging occasionally during the log run.
I am experienced with the PV, I've had it pretty much since the start of this thread. It was locked to my 2010 Fatboy and I used it a lot on that bike. When I traded it in a few weeks ago, I kept the tuner and paid the $199 to unlock it. I married it to the new bike and went through all of the updates. It's all working fine except the knock events.
I have both front and rear spark knock channels set up for recording. Even looking at the .csv in Excel, all zero's under those two columns.
There has to be something very simple that I am overlooking, I never had any problems on the fatboy.
Any suggestions?
I am experienced with the PV, I've had it pretty much since the start of this thread. It was locked to my 2010 Fatboy and I used it a lot on that bike. When I traded it in a few weeks ago, I kept the tuner and paid the $199 to unlock it. I married it to the new bike and went through all of the updates. It's all working fine except the knock events.
I have both front and rear spark knock channels set up for recording. Even looking at the .csv in Excel, all zero's under those two columns.
There has to be something very simple that I am overlooking, I never had any problems on the fatboy.
Any suggestions?
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I know some of the 2012's (Softails and Dynas) are CAN bus and that the original PV-1 wouldn't work with them. Not sure about the SG. I had just the opposite happen yesterday on a couple of data runs. Log Tuner adjusted the advance for a small number of cells on the rear cylinder and I wasn't hearing any pinging. Interestingly though it seems to have slightly improved the minor decel popping I have been seeing. Too early to tell for sure.
Last edited by MMXIWG; Jul 26, 2012 at 05:56 AM.
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The 2012 touring models still use the PV-1. I did a few more log runs and same thing, not one knock event.
On my Fatboy, even when you did not hear pinging, there would always be a few minor events that were picked up. But here it's as if the Knock detection isn't even working. I am not getting a lot of audible pinging. In fact I have only heard a couple of pings at a few different times, but no events recorded.
I am using and fine tuning a map from Jamie for my set up; true duals, S/E intake. It is running quite well, in fact very well. Just strange that I am not getting any knock events.
On my Fatboy, even when you did not hear pinging, there would always be a few minor events that were picked up. But here it's as if the Knock detection isn't even working. I am not getting a lot of audible pinging. In fact I have only heard a couple of pings at a few different times, but no events recorded.
I am using and fine tuning a map from Jamie for my set up; true duals, S/E intake. It is running quite well, in fact very well. Just strange that I am not getting any knock events.