Power Vision Information Thread
Road Captain
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 716
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From: Shreveport,La
The Matrix
So today I ran two maps, +/- 65 miles each with only changes to the timing tables between them. Made two logs with each map. One mostly interstate and one mostly back roads. No real crazy riding, but real world riding with a pull out to pass or two in there on back roads.
I have been scrolling those logs with excel for the last two hours and I am beginning to think I have woke up in the movie The Matrix!! I am seeing the ride and what I am doing during the ride more and more. Like when I pull in the clutch to shift it reads 0 for the gear position for a couple of rows before the gear number changes. 0 when I am stopped at a light or sign too. Large jump in the KPA column shows I was pulling pretty hard and when looked at the TP it proves it even when the RPM is still in the midrange. Then I look over at my set AFR column and see my AFR is changed to 12.5! It is set at 12.8 on the AFR table in the 90 KPA column and CLB doesn't affect AFR in that area.
So is the Acceleration Enrichment causing the .3 drop from the AFR table? I was really looking to work on my timing with these and just noticed the AFR. My mpg for the day was 36.2 total so it is still a little low, but not bad. Before the 103 upgrade I got 38.
I have been scrolling those logs with excel for the last two hours and I am beginning to think I have woke up in the movie The Matrix!! I am seeing the ride and what I am doing during the ride more and more. Like when I pull in the clutch to shift it reads 0 for the gear position for a couple of rows before the gear number changes. 0 when I am stopped at a light or sign too. Large jump in the KPA column shows I was pulling pretty hard and when looked at the TP it proves it even when the RPM is still in the midrange. Then I look over at my set AFR column and see my AFR is changed to 12.5! It is set at 12.8 on the AFR table in the 90 KPA column and CLB doesn't affect AFR in that area.
So is the Acceleration Enrichment causing the .3 drop from the AFR table? I was really looking to work on my timing with these and just noticed the AFR. My mpg for the day was 36.2 total so it is still a little low, but not bad. Before the 103 upgrade I got 38.
Last edited by Watchfuliz; Feb 14, 2013 at 09:13 PM.
Intermediate
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 40
Likes: 1
From: Knoxville, TN
Andrews 21 map?
Hey everybody, got a few questions.
I have a 2005 Softail Deuce, 88 CI
V&H Big Radius 2 into 2
Kuryakyn Mach II air cleaner
Power Vision
I'm getting ready to install Andrews 21 cams. Does anybody have a map for a similar setup?
Fuel Moto didn't have a matching map. They sent me one for similar specs with a Woods TW-6 cam which is the closest they have to my set up.
My bike is fuel injected but doesn't have O2 sensors so I can't autotune. Looks like I will either buy the autotune module with wideband sensors or take it for a dyno tune. Either one will have to wait for a little while until I can save up some money.
One last question, does anybody know of a good dyno tuner in the Knoxville, TN area?
Thanks!
I have a 2005 Softail Deuce, 88 CI
V&H Big Radius 2 into 2
Kuryakyn Mach II air cleaner
Power Vision
I'm getting ready to install Andrews 21 cams. Does anybody have a map for a similar setup?
Fuel Moto didn't have a matching map. They sent me one for similar specs with a Woods TW-6 cam which is the closest they have to my set up.
My bike is fuel injected but doesn't have O2 sensors so I can't autotune. Looks like I will either buy the autotune module with wideband sensors or take it for a dyno tune. Either one will have to wait for a little while until I can save up some money.
One last question, does anybody know of a good dyno tuner in the Knoxville, TN area?
Thanks!
Cruiser
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 225
Likes: 6
The bike is a 12' FLTRX with the V&h power duals, Monster Rounds and the HD stage one breather and download. My Power Vision came with a FM map for this setup. My bike runs pretty good with the HD download with a few flaws and I was wondering what the experienced guys see when the HD map is compared to the FM map. The way this winter is going its going to be a long time before I get to try it.
Road Captain
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 716
Likes: 10
From: Shreveport,La
The bike is a 12' FLTRX with the V&h power duals, Monster Rounds and the HD stage one breather and download. My Power Vision came with a FM map for this setup. My bike runs pretty good with the HD download with a few flaws and I was wondering what the experienced guys see when the HD map is compared to the FM map. The way this winter is going its going to be a long time before I get to try it.
Road Captain
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 569
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From: USA
If you want to use the learning ability of the ECM then don't smooth. Just make sure your VE's are within a couple % change and leave the smoothing alone. What smoothing changed the ECM is going to change right back anyway so leave it.
Road Captain
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 569
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From: USA
You will never know if it's an improvement or not doing a street tune. The only thing you will know is if it's pinging or not pinging. Find out where it pings and then back off 3 degrees, that's the best you're going to get. If you don't see any pings on the logs then you have 2 choices. One, is the bike running nice? Are you happy with it? If so, leave it alone. If it pings, make the changes. Two, you can play around with it and jack the timing and look for pings, and make changes. In the long run if the bike runs nice and doesn't ping then leave it. You won't feel a couple degrees anyway, most won't. Some canned maps have conservative timing and the bikes run fine that way. Some of us like to tinker and play around with the timing. Are we really accomplishing anything that we can attribute to the best hp/tq? The answer is, without dyno....no. The tables you're posting won't tell you or anyone reading much. The logs, as someone posted, will pretty much tell you what's happening with the engine. Think of it this way, it's easier to understand. The tables are telling the engine what TO do. Versus the logs telling you what the engine IS doing. You need to know what the engine is telling you first (LOGS) and then you set up your table accordingly.
Road Captain
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 569
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From: USA
Have been out of the loop for a while, and am curious as to others approach to decel popping. I added a little fuel at 0 throttle in the rpm ranges popping. Worked pretty well. I do get a little what I believe is known as gurgling now. Could be wrong on the gurgling. Sounds like smothering to me. Any other approaches? Thanks Kranky.
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Road Captain
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 569
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From: USA
So today I ran two maps, +/- 65 miles each with only changes to the timing tables between them. Made two logs with each map. One mostly interstate and one mostly back roads. No real crazy riding, but real world riding with a pull out to pass or two in there on back roads.
I have been scrolling those logs with excel for the last two hours and I am beginning to think I have woke up in the movie The Matrix!! I am seeing the ride and what I am doing during the ride more and more. Like when I pull in the clutch to shift it reads 0 for the gear position for a couple of rows before the gear number changes. 0 when I am stopped at a light or sign too. Large jump in the KPA column shows I was pulling pretty hard and when looked at the TP it proves it even when the RPM is still in the midrange. Then I look over at my set AFR column and see my AFR is changed to 12.5! It is set at 12.8 on the AFR table in the 90 KPA column and CLB doesn't affect AFR in that area.
So is the Acceleration Enrichment causing the .3 drop from the AFR table? I was really looking to work on my timing with these and just noticed the AFR. My mpg for the day was 36.2 total so it is still a little low, but not bad. Before the 103 upgrade I got 38.
I have been scrolling those logs with excel for the last two hours and I am beginning to think I have woke up in the movie The Matrix!! I am seeing the ride and what I am doing during the ride more and more. Like when I pull in the clutch to shift it reads 0 for the gear position for a couple of rows before the gear number changes. 0 when I am stopped at a light or sign too. Large jump in the KPA column shows I was pulling pretty hard and when looked at the TP it proves it even when the RPM is still in the midrange. Then I look over at my set AFR column and see my AFR is changed to 12.5! It is set at 12.8 on the AFR table in the 90 KPA column and CLB doesn't affect AFR in that area.
So is the Acceleration Enrichment causing the .3 drop from the AFR table? I was really looking to work on my timing with these and just noticed the AFR. My mpg for the day was 36.2 total so it is still a little low, but not bad. Before the 103 upgrade I got 38.
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From: Vancouver Island B.C.
Large jump in the KPA column shows I was pulling pretty hard and when looked at the TP it proves it even when the RPM is still in the midrange. Then I look over at my set AFR column and see my AFR is changed to 12.5! It is set at 12.8 on the AFR table in the 90 KPA column and CLB doesn't affect AFR in that area.