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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RJHD
Those were after a bunch of AT runs. Only have a few cells more than 5% different from the last run. Bike runs great. Small amount of decel pop that I would like to get rid of.

I've always thought the bike ran hot and one of the reasons for wanting to do the stage 1 was to get it cooler. That didn't seem to help as many have experienced. Still bake when riding in warm weather in traffic.

How can I tell if I have pinging? Sure can't hear any.
I'm a rookie here but do some logs and look at them in excel or what I use is open office. YOu might see what Map and RPM your ecm is pulling back the timing and how severe it is. The logging helped me understand things a little better. Performance is important to me but controling spark knock is just as important. Log tuner can help retard the affected cells.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by stailjim61
I can't make any sense out of that AFR table. But there's enough resident experts here to school you.
I thought you couldn't change the AFR table. Thought what AT did was adjust the VE tables only?
 
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 09:32 PM
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I have a question on spark knock. I was doing some data logging and I have some spark knock in the front cylinder. I'm getting none in the rear cylinder. The question is basically, is any spark knock OK or normal? and what do the values of my spark knock relate to?

I'm getting: 0.05 at 2500rpms in the 70 kpa column.
0.07 at 2750rpms in the 70 kpa column
0.05 at 3000rpms in the 70 kpa column

0.03 at 2750rpms in the 60 kpa column
0.02 at 3000rpms in the 80 kpa column

And that's it Is this OK? Bad??
Thanks guys!
Well, I just took out 2* in these 5 cells. I'll see what the data log says tomorrow. FYI, if anyone cares...LOL I've been slowly working on my bikes tune with the help of FM and AT. I started out with audible pinging between 2-3k RPM's and bike running OK, to now no audible pinging, and the bike running great.
I was just wondering how bad those reading on the spark knock table represent, seems like a % .
Thanks Mike
 
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RJHD
I thought you couldn't change the AFR table. Thought what AT did was adjust the VE tables only?
When you are in AT mode the whole AFR table is set to 14.6 so you are in closed loop as this is where the NB O2 sensors are the most accurate. When you are running a regular tune your AFR can be whatever you want it to be. I'm trying 3 different tables right now. The one that came with my Fuel Moto tune, one from Dynojet, and one that I saw here from another poster.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RJHD
Here is a pic of it. Sorry for the poor quality.
The AFR table looks fairly typical with a large closed loop area and richer values outside the closed loop area. The only thing that strikes me as different are your kPa values. My maps all have have KPa's evenly divisible by 10. Your map shows some values divisible by 5 (85, 95) and a 27Kpa column. Where did your base map come from?
 
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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RJHD
Those were after a bunch of AT runs. Only have a few cells more than 5% different from the last run. Bike runs great. Small amount of decel pop that I would like to get rid of.

I've always thought the bike ran hot and one of the reasons for wanting to do the stage 1 was to get it cooler. That didn't seem to help as many have experienced. Still bake when riding in warm weather in traffic.

How can I tell if I have pinging? Sure can't hear any.
What is your bike, don't see it listed?

Convert your data logs to excel files, then search the file for any knock events to see if you have any pinging.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nhrider1
The AFR table looks fairly typical with a large closed loop area and richer values outside the closed loop area. The only thing that strikes me as different are your kPa values. My maps all have have KPa's evenly divisible by 10. Your map shows some values divisible by 5 (85, 95) and a 27Kpa column. Where did your base map come from?
I have those Kpa columns as well. Maybe a newer version of Win PV?
 
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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RJHD
Here is a pic of it. Sorry for the poor quality.
Here's a copy of my fuel table converted from lambda to stoich values for you to compare.

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It looks like your's is lean. The only reason I use the 14.4 (0.981 lambda) is too maintain closed loop.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by CanuckSlim
I have those Kpa columns as well. Maybe a newer version of Win PV?
Must be... I have ver. 1.0.70.1200.

My maps look exactly like the one Delta just posted.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 09:45 AM
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Here's the same table only displaying the lambda values,

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