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Voiding warranty
Don't understand this "anything but Harley" products such as exhaust,air cleaner ,or tuner voids your warranty on 17 models.
Harley got popped for selling and installing non EPA compliant Tuners and such..I didn't..
Dont understand why they would have a problem with parts that I buy somewhere else and put on myself...there is clearly no liability pointing back to them.
Some people say it's all about money..but I see that coming around and kicking them in the *** .
I'd like to get a FP3 to go along with the stage 2 Harley torque cams but that doesn't mean that I'm going to settle for a POS Harley Tuner to save my warranty..I'll just go without any tuner..and I'll skip the stage 2 cams also..and anything else they sell such as a big bore kits ect..
I'm also aware of the Magneson Moss law but really don't feel like going that route over a Bike..
Next time I see the GM I'll have a sitdown with him and see what he says..he's been solid with me in the past over the BS "Mandatory" 1000 mile service by Harley or your warranty is Void..so to sell a big bore kit and some cams or anything else at his parts counter maybe he'll give the FP3 a pass.
I just don't like it when people try to run that fear.."or else" tactic on me.
Harley got popped for selling and installing non EPA compliant Tuners and such..I didn't..
Dont understand why they would have a problem with parts that I buy somewhere else and put on myself...there is clearly no liability pointing back to them.
Some people say it's all about money..but I see that coming around and kicking them in the *** .
I'd like to get a FP3 to go along with the stage 2 Harley torque cams but that doesn't mean that I'm going to settle for a POS Harley Tuner to save my warranty..I'll just go without any tuner..and I'll skip the stage 2 cams also..and anything else they sell such as a big bore kits ect..
I'm also aware of the Magneson Moss law but really don't feel like going that route over a Bike..
Next time I see the GM I'll have a sitdown with him and see what he says..he's been solid with me in the past over the BS "Mandatory" 1000 mile service by Harley or your warranty is Void..so to sell a big bore kit and some cams or anything else at his parts counter maybe he'll give the FP3 a pass.
I just don't like it when people try to run that fear.."or else" tactic on me.
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Don't understand this "anything but Harley" products such as exhaust,air cleaner ,or tuner voids your warranty on 17 models.
Harley got popped for selling and installing non EPA compliant Tuners and such..I didn't..
Dont understand why they would have a problem with parts that I buy somewhere else and put on myself...there is clearly no liability pointing back to them.
Some people say it's all about money..but I see that coming around and kicking them in the *** .
I'd like to get a FP3 to go along with the stage 2 Harley torque cams but that doesn't mean that I'm going to settle for a POS Harley Tuner to save my warranty..I'll just go without any tuner..and I'll skip the stage 2 cams also..and anything else they sell such as a big bore kits ect..
I'm also aware of the Magneson Moss law but really don't feel like going that route over a Bike..
Next time I see the GM I'll have a sitdown with him and see what he says..he's been solid with me in the past over the BS "Mandatory" 1000 mile service by Harley or your warranty is Void..so to sell a big bore kit and some cams or anything else at his parts counter maybe he'll give the FP3 a pass.
I just don't like it when people try to run that fear.."or else" tactic on me.
Harley got popped for selling and installing non EPA compliant Tuners and such..I didn't..
Dont understand why they would have a problem with parts that I buy somewhere else and put on myself...there is clearly no liability pointing back to them.
Some people say it's all about money..but I see that coming around and kicking them in the *** .
I'd like to get a FP3 to go along with the stage 2 Harley torque cams but that doesn't mean that I'm going to settle for a POS Harley Tuner to save my warranty..I'll just go without any tuner..and I'll skip the stage 2 cams also..and anything else they sell such as a big bore kits ect..
I'm also aware of the Magneson Moss law but really don't feel like going that route over a Bike..
Next time I see the GM I'll have a sitdown with him and see what he says..he's been solid with me in the past over the BS "Mandatory" 1000 mile service by Harley or your warranty is Void..so to sell a big bore kit and some cams or anything else at his parts counter maybe he'll give the FP3 a pass.
I just don't like it when people try to run that fear.."or else" tactic on me.
There is absolutely NO prohibition against using aftermarket, non-OEM parts on a 2017 model. It doesn't matter if the aftermarket part is EPA/CARB compliant or not. It has no effect on your warranty whatsoever.
On the other hand, if you put non-EPA/CARB compliant air cleaner and/or exhaust system on your bike, you will indeed have to retune it, and therein lies the problem: the only tuner that will not affect your warranty is the new Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner, and unfortunately it only contains maps for Harley-Davidson parts, and it will only do EPA compliant tunes, with some very small adjustments allowed. These adjustments will not be enough to get a more performance oriented aftermarket a/c and exhaust to where they need to be.
Now, if all you care about is louder and all you do is slipons, and you use a Harley map for SE slipons, you might be able to get by. If all you do is an air cleaner, and you use the map for an SE a/c, you might be able to get by.
Personally, if I were buying a '17, I'd ride it for a year, and if anything didn't break by then it probably won't, and I'd use the aftermarket tuner and not worry about it. Of course, don't spend the money on an ESP.
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You've been misinformed.
There is absolutely NO prohibition against using aftermarket, non-OEM parts on a 2017 model. It doesn't matter if the aftermarket part is EPA/CARB compliant or not. It has no effect on your warranty whatsoever.
On the other hand, if you put non-EPA/CARB compliant air cleaner and/or exhaust system on your bike, you will indeed have to retune it, and therein lies the problem: the only tuner that will not affect your warranty is the new Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner, and unfortunately it only contains maps for Harley-Davidson parts, and it will only do EPA compliant tunes, with some very small adjustments allowed. These adjustments will not be enough to get a more performance oriented aftermarket a/c and exhaust to where they need to be.
Now, if all you care about is louder and all you do is slipons, and you use a Harley map for SE slipons, you might be able to get by. If all you do is an air cleaner, and you use the map for an SE a/c, you might be able to get by.
Personally, if I were buying a '17, I'd ride it for a year, and if anything didn't break by then it probably won't, and I'd use the aftermarket tuner and not worry about it. Of course, don't spend the money on an ESP.
There is absolutely NO prohibition against using aftermarket, non-OEM parts on a 2017 model. It doesn't matter if the aftermarket part is EPA/CARB compliant or not. It has no effect on your warranty whatsoever.
On the other hand, if you put non-EPA/CARB compliant air cleaner and/or exhaust system on your bike, you will indeed have to retune it, and therein lies the problem: the only tuner that will not affect your warranty is the new Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner, and unfortunately it only contains maps for Harley-Davidson parts, and it will only do EPA compliant tunes, with some very small adjustments allowed. These adjustments will not be enough to get a more performance oriented aftermarket a/c and exhaust to where they need to be.
Now, if all you care about is louder and all you do is slipons, and you use a Harley map for SE slipons, you might be able to get by. If all you do is an air cleaner, and you use the map for an SE a/c, you might be able to get by.
Personally, if I were buying a '17, I'd ride it for a year, and if anything didn't break by then it probably won't, and I'd use the aftermarket tuner and not worry about it. Of course, don't spend the money on an ESP.
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Thats what I'd like to know...seems some dealers don't care and some do..
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I guess that's my question..why should using the tuner of my choice affect my warranty...
Unless the warranty problem in question can be directly traced to or caused by my choice of tuners..my warranty should not be affected.
Unless the warranty problem in question can be directly traced to or caused by my choice of tuners..my warranty should not be affected.
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Nope, I'll try to copy it as text later.