2018 M8----Sumping? Failures?
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I looked over CVO and I'm always on HTT. I've not seen any confirmed 19's with sumping. "Confirmed" owners that is. Some word of mouth here and there of a buddy of a buddy etc. Typical.
Looks like the "wide spread" sumping has been addressed. No doubt there are going to be some of those out there that cannot be fixed for whatever reason... just how it is it seems.
Looks like the "wide spread" sumping has been addressed. No doubt there are going to be some of those out there that cannot be fixed for whatever reason... just how it is it seems.
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On CVOHarley read the thread titled "Sumped Again!" starting around post #242. He's had multiple engines replaced due to sumping and even Harley gave up and authorized a replacement 2019 - with the latest oil pump. His 2019 just sumped and is torn down at the dealer.
On CVOHarley read the thread "2019 cvo sumping" starting around post #61. A guy with a 2019 CVO RG which sumped in 2500 miles. Unclear if it has the latest oil pump.
On HTT read the thread "Sumping issues solved" starting around post #78. One guy has a 2018 softail that sumps (does not appear to have latest oil pump). Then another post states a 2019 with the latest oil pump (with seal) has just sumped.
Also read on HTT the thread titled "dry sump/wet sump, any improvements?" around post #31. A shop owner shares that a 2019 trike with the sealed oil pump is experiencing sumping and he's looking for ideas to solve it.
On CVOHarley read the thread "2019 cvo sumping" starting around post #61. A guy with a 2019 CVO RG which sumped in 2500 miles. Unclear if it has the latest oil pump.
On HTT read the thread "Sumping issues solved" starting around post #78. One guy has a 2018 softail that sumps (does not appear to have latest oil pump). Then another post states a 2019 with the latest oil pump (with seal) has just sumped.
Also read on HTT the thread titled "dry sump/wet sump, any improvements?" around post #31. A shop owner shares that a 2019 trike with the sealed oil pump is experiencing sumping and he's looking for ideas to solve it.
The CVO thread: Kinda another one off and is being blamed on riding style etc. Sounds familiar. Like Keith, maybe they should probably provide him a new bike. The engine(s) clearly do not like his riding style.
Sumping issues solved thread: Yeah, oranges. He needs the newest pump and etc etc.
The other was someone talking about a "buddy" that somehow supposedly has the new seal even though his bike was bought before the seal was introduced. Remains to be seen...
Dry sump/wet sump, any improvements? thread: Would like to hear from the owner.
Break, Break: Still nothing confirming wide spread problems since the seal incorporation. No need to wait till 2020. The new seal has fixed most of the issues it's been applied to.
Again, there will always be a few defect engines that will sump (or insert problem) no matter what the configuration. It's always been that way even with the previous engines.
Last edited by lp; Dec 29, 2018 at 09:37 AM.
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Still no smoking gun.
The CVO thread: Kinda another one off and is being blamed on riding style etc. Sounds familiar. Like Keith, maybe they should probably provide him a new bike. The engine(s) clearly do not like his riding style.
Sumping issues solved thread: Yeah, oranges. He needs the newest pump and etc etc.
The other was someone talking about a "buddy" that somehow supposedly has the new seal even though his bike was bought before the seal was introduced. Remains to be seen...
Dry sump/wet sump, any improvements? thread: Would like to hear from the owner.
Break, Break: Still nothing confirming wide spread problems since the seal incorporation. No need to wait till 2020. The new seal has fixed most of the issues it's been applied to.
Again, there will always be a few defect engines that will sump (or insert problem) no matter what the configuration. It's always been that way even with the previous engines.
The CVO thread: Kinda another one off and is being blamed on riding style etc. Sounds familiar. Like Keith, maybe they should probably provide him a new bike. The engine(s) clearly do not like his riding style.
Sumping issues solved thread: Yeah, oranges. He needs the newest pump and etc etc.
The other was someone talking about a "buddy" that somehow supposedly has the new seal even though his bike was bought before the seal was introduced. Remains to be seen...
Dry sump/wet sump, any improvements? thread: Would like to hear from the owner.
Break, Break: Still nothing confirming wide spread problems since the seal incorporation. No need to wait till 2020. The new seal has fixed most of the issues it's been applied to.
Again, there will always be a few defect engines that will sump (or insert problem) no matter what the configuration. It's always been that way even with the previous engines.
As far as the Oct date for 2019 production using the latest oil pump with seal, check with the guys on HTT and CVOHarley that posted about it.... or not. Makes no difference to me as I no longer own an M8 and have no intention of buying a 2019. I'll let you guys figure it out next riding season and then decide if a 2020 CVO is worth buying when they launch next Aug.... or if I'll be adding a different brand bike to the garage with my other CVO Ultra.
Last edited by Heatwave; Dec 29, 2018 at 10:52 AM.
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It makes no difference if you believe what others are posting or not. And I have no independent source of the cutover date or the latest oil pump sumping, so if you prefer to cover your eyes because I shared it, that's your prerogative. But it doesn't change the fact that others have experienced sumping with the latest oil pump or that there's an actual cut over date for 2019 model year bikes to have the latest oil pump installed from the factory. Fanboys will be fanboys.
BTW, there's a reason that there's an "EDIT" button on every post.....so you can "EDIT"....LOL!
Last edited by Heatwave; Dec 29, 2018 at 11:03 AM.
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You might want to check with the shop on HTT that has a 2019 Trike with the latest oil pump that's experiencing sumping. It might be helpful information for your own 2019 Trike in the future.
Last edited by Heatwave; Dec 29, 2018 at 10:58 AM.
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If the blinders fit, wear 'em proudly. I like being salty! Try getting out of your cub reporter "gotcha mode" and maybe you could learn something instead of focusing so hard on trying to prove me wrong. I made a simple statement that there were reports of 2019 bikes sumping with the latest oil pump and referenced others sharing that 10/10/18 was a production cut over for the sealed oil pump from the factory. You stated there were none. I shared the exact threads and posts.
It makes no difference if you believe what others are posting or not. And I have no independent source of the cutover date or the latest oil pump sumping, so if you prefer to cover your eyes because I shared it, that's your prerogative. But it doesn't change the fact that others have experienced sumping with the latest oil pump or that there's an actual cut over date for 2019 model year bikes to have the latest oil pump installed from the factory. Fanboys will be fanboys.
BTW, there's a reason that there's an "EDIT" button on every post.....so you can "EDIT"....LOL!
It makes no difference if you believe what others are posting or not. And I have no independent source of the cutover date or the latest oil pump sumping, so if you prefer to cover your eyes because I shared it, that's your prerogative. But it doesn't change the fact that others have experienced sumping with the latest oil pump or that there's an actual cut over date for 2019 model year bikes to have the latest oil pump installed from the factory. Fanboys will be fanboys.
BTW, there's a reason that there's an "EDIT" button on every post.....so you can "EDIT"....LOL!
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The fact remains that there are guys experiencing sumping on brand new 2019 bikes in those threads. Attacking me does nothing to dispute that fact, no matter how long some of you fanboys insist on wearing blinders. Unfortunately your animosity is both unbecoming and misplaced.
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As I originally stated and was attacked for sharing, there are threads and posts on HTT and CVOHarley of guys that have recently experienced sumping with the latest oil pump (with seal). And for sharing those posts, I was personally attacked. No big deal from my perspective. Very childish but par for the course.
The fact remains that there are guys experiencing sumping on brand new 2019 bikes in those threads. Attacking me does nothing to dispute that fact, no matter how long some of you fanboys insist on wearing blinders. Unfortunately your animosity is both unbecoming and misplaced.