2018 M8----Sumping? Failures?
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Skidd.. If you feel so confident about the M8 with regards to sumping, buy one, be happy and move on. You are not going to get any accurate statistics on here. All you are going to get are real personal events of what happen to individuals. For me, these events are valuable and would prevent me from purchasing another M8 until it's fixed. For you, sounds like you are already convinced it's not a problem.
IMO there is probably double the number of actual sumping cases to what is actually reported. I say this because most people don't know what sumping is or what it feels like. The symptoms can feel like other issues. Thus Heatwaves full inbox of Sumping questions. Not to mention, the M8 can recover from some sumping events by letting it cool and idle.
IMO there is probably double the number of actual sumping cases to what is actually reported. I say this because most people don't know what sumping is or what it feels like. The symptoms can feel like other issues. Thus Heatwaves full inbox of Sumping questions. Not to mention, the M8 can recover from some sumping events by letting it cool and idle.
As a fabricator and mechanic by trade, I fully understand there are likely more cases of failure than reported, that is just how it works. But with this type of failure I doubt that there are that many more, as it is a more severe failure and easily noticed by the uninitiated. I have worked by multiple styles of dry sump engines my entire life, and when one wet sumps it is not subtle. Even though the initiated likely will not know what is wrong, they will know something is wrong. And bring it to the dealer, as it is under warranty. Now while I agree the dealer may or may not be a trustworthy source of info on the sales side, but I assure the service department wants you to be happy, and have your issue resolved. So baring you finding a dealership full of idiots, they will work with the mothership to get you resolved and on your way.
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It's all good man, I have bought an M8, and I am comfortable with my decision. I fully understand I am not going to get accurate statistics here, but others may not be able to read thru the bullshit as easily.
As a fabricator and mechanic by trade, I fully understand there are likely more cases of failure than reported, that is just how it works. But with this type of failure I doubt that there are that many more, as it is a more severe failure and easily noticed by the uninitiated. I have worked by multiple styles of dry sump engines my entire life, and when one wet sumps it is not subtle. Even though the initiated likely will not know what is wrong, they will know something is wrong. And bring it to the dealer, as it is under warranty. Now while I agree the dealer may or may not be a trustworthy source of info on the sales side, but I assure the service department wants you to be happy, and have your issue resolved. So baring you finding a dealership full of idiots, they will work with the mothership to get you resolved and on your way.
As a fabricator and mechanic by trade, I fully understand there are likely more cases of failure than reported, that is just how it works. But with this type of failure I doubt that there are that many more, as it is a more severe failure and easily noticed by the uninitiated. I have worked by multiple styles of dry sump engines my entire life, and when one wet sumps it is not subtle. Even though the initiated likely will not know what is wrong, they will know something is wrong. And bring it to the dealer, as it is under warranty. Now while I agree the dealer may or may not be a trustworthy source of info on the sales side, but I assure the service department wants you to be happy, and have your issue resolved. So baring you finding a dealership full of idiots, they will work with the mothership to get you resolved and on your way.
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As I said we have different definitions. And you are misstating the facts. I have clearly stated time and time again, HD was very supportive for me. I have no complaints about their support of my situation. You are confusing my views about how HD handled my bike situation (very satisfied) with my views on how HD is managing their business and the handling of a known major engine defect over the course of 3 model years (critical).
I am not a cheerleader for any company nor do I go out of my way to criticize a company without a basis. You can cheerlead as much as you wish... you'll get no criticism from me for doing so. But please don't expect me to join you in waving pom poms with you if I disagree. I'm sorry, but having the same significant engine defect in 3 model years of engines is most definitely "dragging their feet" in correcting a known major engine problem.
BTW, I guess by your definition the fanboyz are "bashing" me??? LOL
I am not a cheerleader for any company nor do I go out of my way to criticize a company without a basis. You can cheerlead as much as you wish... you'll get no criticism from me for doing so. But please don't expect me to join you in waving pom poms with you if I disagree. I'm sorry, but having the same significant engine defect in 3 model years of engines is most definitely "dragging their feet" in correcting a known major engine problem.
BTW, I guess by your definition the fanboyz are "bashing" me??? LOL
Now I do agree, that you have been upfront with how your dealer and the MoCo have dealt with your situation, and for that I applaud you. But then,often in the same post, you turn around and bash on the company and it's handling of this issue.
Come on man, you have first hand experience in this situation. You could be sharing this info in a positive manner, trying to help others, that I would be your biggest cheerleader for. But instead you insist on shouting doom and gloom from the rooftops, therefore reducing your own credibility and therefore potential positive influence.
You don't have to agree with any businesses practices or business model, nothing wrong with that, that is your prerogative. But that isn't really what this thread is supposed to be about, now is it?
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It's not my definition man, I'm not a writer, and I most assuredly have never written a DICTIONARY.
Now I do agree, that you have been upfront with how your dealer and the MoCo have dealt with your situation, and for that I applaud you. But then,often in the same post, you turn around and bash on the company and it's handling of this issue.
Come on man, you have first hand experience in this situation. You could be sharing this info in a positive manner, trying to help others, that I would be your biggest cheerleader for. But instead you insist on shouting doom and gloom from the rooftops, therefore reducing your own credibility and therefore potential positive influence.
You don't have to agree with any businesses practices or business model, nothing wrong with that, that is your prerogative. But that isn't really what this thread is supposed to be about, now is it?
Now I do agree, that you have been upfront with how your dealer and the MoCo have dealt with your situation, and for that I applaud you. But then,often in the same post, you turn around and bash on the company and it's handling of this issue.
Come on man, you have first hand experience in this situation. You could be sharing this info in a positive manner, trying to help others, that I would be your biggest cheerleader for. But instead you insist on shouting doom and gloom from the rooftops, therefore reducing your own credibility and therefore potential positive influence.
You don't have to agree with any businesses practices or business model, nothing wrong with that, that is your prerogative. But that isn't really what this thread is supposed to be about, now is it?
Next time you are in your dealership, ask how many guys are doing major Stage III and IV upgrades. My dealer service shop has told me that because of issues like sumping and warranty concerns, guys have just stopped making engine upgrades. Too fearful of the problems that might develop. So sumping in many ways, I believe, is reflected in customers exploring other brands AND shying away from upgrading their engines. And that is now clearly showing up in HOG's bottom line and ultimately their stock price.
But what do I know... I'm just a guy that like's riding a dependable bike, preferably a Harley.
Last edited by Heatwave; Jan 30, 2019 at 12:50 PM.
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