Breakout wheel change problems
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OH BOY!!!!!! The plot thickens.....
Just went to a dealer to pick up my new bearing. They had a standard Breakout with CVO rims in the lot!!!!! It looks to me that the ABS sensor is much shorter than my spacer. But I still don't get it. I only have millimeters of room in my caliper bracket until the rotor would hit the right side. And this spacer look almost a half inch shorter than mine. I don't have it with me to measure but I know mine is much wider.
Unless I'm not thinking clearly and the 1/2" shorter spacer wouldn't effect my rotor to Bracket spacing? I can't think clearly righty now. But the caliper bracket is fixed against the adjustment spacer(little one look like a thick washer that goes in swing arm recess). So if I put a 1/2" shorter ABS sensor in wouldn't that move my Rotor to the right a 1/2" ????
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EDIT:
Wait a minuet. I just remembered. The bearing for the ABS on that side is wider. Hence the shorter spacer. I am so stupid !!!!
Just went to a dealer to pick up my new bearing. They had a standard Breakout with CVO rims in the lot!!!!! It looks to me that the ABS sensor is much shorter than my spacer. But I still don't get it. I only have millimeters of room in my caliper bracket until the rotor would hit the right side. And this spacer look almost a half inch shorter than mine. I don't have it with me to measure but I know mine is much wider.
Unless I'm not thinking clearly and the 1/2" shorter spacer wouldn't effect my rotor to Bracket spacing? I can't think clearly righty now. But the caliper bracket is fixed against the adjustment spacer(little one look like a thick washer that goes in swing arm recess). So if I put a 1/2" shorter ABS sensor in wouldn't that move my Rotor to the right a 1/2" ????
Pic's attached
EDIT:
Wait a minuet. I just remembered. The bearing for the ABS on that side is wider. Hence the shorter spacer. I am so stupid !!!!
Last edited by wedgemoose; Jun 10, 2015 at 01:45 PM.
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OH BOY!!!!!! The plot thickens.....
Just went to a dealer to pick up my new bearing. They had a standard Breakout with CVO rims in the lot!!!!! It looks to me that the ABS sensor is much shorter than my spacer. But I still don't get it. I only have millimeters of room in my caliper bracket until the rotor would hit the right side. And this spacer look almost a half inch shorter than mine. I don't have it with me to measure but I know mine is much wider.
Unless I'm not thinking clearly and the 1/2" shorter spacer wouldn't effect my rotor to Bracket spacing? I can't think clearly righty now. But the caliper bracket is fixed against the adjustment spacer(little one look like a thick washer that goes in swing arm recess). So if I put a 1/2" shorter ABS sensor in wouldn't that move my Rotor to the right a 1/2" ????
Pic's attached
Just went to a dealer to pick up my new bearing. They had a standard Breakout with CVO rims in the lot!!!!! It looks to me that the ABS sensor is much shorter than my spacer. But I still don't get it. I only have millimeters of room in my caliper bracket until the rotor would hit the right side. And this spacer look almost a half inch shorter than mine. I don't have it with me to measure but I know mine is much wider.
Unless I'm not thinking clearly and the 1/2" shorter spacer wouldn't effect my rotor to Bracket spacing? I can't think clearly righty now. But the caliper bracket is fixed against the adjustment spacer(little one look like a thick washer that goes in swing arm recess). So if I put a 1/2" shorter ABS sensor in wouldn't that move my Rotor to the right a 1/2" ????
Pic's attached
You could confirm this alignment by placing the wheel on the floor with the scribed spacer and calliper bracket ontop, and the axle passed through it to line them up.
If the spacer in the swingarm is too thick, it will push the wheel too far left, but the alignment of the rotor to the calliper bracket would still be good.
Last edited by 1004ron; Jun 10, 2015 at 01:48 PM.
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The washer/spacer inside the swingarm doesn't come into play with the alignment of the rotor to the calliper bracket - what does effect that alignment is the position of the right side bearing (should be all the way home), thickness of this bearing, thickness of the right side spacer with the scribe marks.
You could confirm this alignment by placing the wheel on the floor with the scribed spacer and calliper bracket ontop, and the axle passed through it to line them up.
If the spacer in the swingarm is too thick, it will push the wheel too far left, but the alignment of the rotor to the calliper bracket would still be good.
You could confirm this alignment by placing the wheel on the floor with the scribed spacer and calliper bracket ontop, and the axle passed through it to line them up.
If the spacer in the swingarm is too thick, it will push the wheel too far left, but the alignment of the rotor to the calliper bracket would still be good.
I'm putting my old rim on tonight and measuring in a thousand places.
let me ask you this. Should the rotor be dead center of the slot in the caliper bracket? I ask because right now(with my problem CVO rims) the rotor is more towards the left side. Not hitting. But more towards the left rather than dead center. It's real hard to see on the other side of the rotor. But using feeler gauges I know it's closer to the left. And I'll check that on the original Rim tonight also.
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let me ask you this. Should the rotor be dead center of the slot in the caliper bracket? I ask because right now(with my problem CVO rims) the rotor is more towards the left side. Not hitting. But more towards the left rather than dead center. It's real hard to see on the other side of the rotor. But using feeler gauges I know it's closer to the left. And I'll check that on the original Rim tonight also.
Rotor towards the left side of the bracket would suggest that the bearing is not fully home.
Pulling up the axle with the bearings and bearing spacer not correctly installed could side load the bearings and damage them - everything is aligned with reference to the right side bearing.
Last edited by 1004ron; Jun 10, 2015 at 02:17 PM.
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Good man and thanks. I'm going to focus on that tonight. I'll get me head in there somehow. Or use the mirror trick. At least I know now. I thought it should be also. And it may be. I'm not 100% on that. Reaching behind the rotor and sliding in a feeler gauge was a little tricky.
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Good man and thanks. I'm going to focus on that tonight. I'll get me head in there somehow. Or use the mirror trick. At least I know now. I thought it should be also. And it may be. I'm not 100% on that. Reaching behind the rotor and sliding in a feeler gauge was a little tricky.
Also looking at the bearing install instructions, it emphasises installing the right side bearing FIRST and all the way home - I overlooked this once.
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Thanks Again. So if I determine I need my left side spacer shaved down a little bit is that normal? Do I bring to a machine shop and have done? Or should I not be screwing around with cutting spacers? Never ran into this before so don't know what's right or wrong to do.
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Thanks Again. So if I determine I need my left side spacer shaved down a little bit is that normal? Do I bring to a machine shop and have done? Or should I not be screwing around with cutting spacers? Never ran into this before so don't know what's right or wrong to do.
I would start by confirming the width and position of the right side bearing.
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I think the rotor not sitting centered on that bracket is another sign that the bearing is gonna be the issue.
I can almost bet you won't have to mess with cutting any spacers. The problem is gonna be with your bearing.
I can almost bet you won't have to mess with cutting any spacers. The problem is gonna be with your bearing.
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You can get spacer kits that have a range of sizes, and of course you can cut the current spacer, but in my opinion the standard spacers with correct bearings and correctly positioned bearings should work - that wheel should work with the ABS bearing and appropriate spacers/sensors, or the standard bearing and standard spacer.
I would start by confirming the width and position of the right side bearing.
I would start by confirming the width and position of the right side bearing.
I agree. No matter how many times I try and talk myself out of it I know it should work. But wait till you read my next post!!!