Another Dreaded Click, Click...
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From: Honah Lee
Well the new relay is a joke, when you turn the ignition on nothing, and when going to off position, the first turn counter clockwise there is a click, that isn't right at all.
Put original relay back in, now same results when holding start switch, drops to 7.58 now and voltage has dropped to 12.58...
Put original relay back in, now same results when holding start switch, drops to 7.58 now and voltage has dropped to 12.58...
Pretty obvious, at that 7.58, the starter motor is trying to run. Obliviously it's the starter motor. It might not have the amps from a bad battery to crank it but starter should spin till it hits ring gear
You need to take starter off and bench test it. However this thread has gotten so long, I have forgotten were we came from now
Credit to you guys that have the wire colors memorized. I sometimes think we are on Mel Gibson/Danny Glover Lethal Weapon Move.
We are going to get this one. Rarely do I see a USER keep trying like this.
Most declared defeat, haul their basket case in and thread dies.
Way To Go Mikey!
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Last edited by Jackie Paper; Jul 20, 2023 at 03:52 PM.
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Pretty obvious, at that 7.58, the starter motor is trying to run. Obliviously it's the starter motor. It might not have the amps from a bad battery to crank it but starter should spin till it hits ring gear
You need to take starter off and bench test it. However this thread has gotten so long, I have forgotten were we came from now
Credit to you guys that have the wire colors memorized. I sometimes think we are on Mel Gibson/Danny Glover Lethal Weapon Move.
We are going to get this one. Rarely do I see a USER keep trying like this.
Most declared defeat, haul their basket case in and thread dies.
Way To Go Mikey!
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You need to take starter off and bench test it. However this thread has gotten so long, I have forgotten were we came from now
Credit to you guys that have the wire colors memorized. I sometimes think we are on Mel Gibson/Danny Glover Lethal Weapon Move.
We are going to get this one. Rarely do I see a USER keep trying like this.
Most declared defeat, haul their basket case in and thread dies.
Way To Go Mikey!
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Also new relay doesn't have a diode. The original has one.
Last edited by mikey95hd; Jul 20, 2023 at 04:07 PM.
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New starter relay seems to be a dud. When you cycle the ignition switch to OFF and hear a click, did you confirm it was coming from the relay?
The green wire to the starter solenoid. When you get the about 7.5V, that is with the green wire connected to the solenoid right? What do you get when it's not plugged in to the solenoid? I think you also mentioned that the green wire had no power at one point. You moved some wires and now it has power. The voltage drop could be due to the wire itself or one of the connectors that it has being damaged or corroded.
Is the bike's starter, clutch and all together enough to try bypassing the green wire? I can't remember if you tried running a wire direct from the battery + to the solenoid where the green wire plugs in. If you try this, MAKE SURE your in neutral.
Just a thought,
Tom
The green wire to the starter solenoid. When you get the about 7.5V, that is with the green wire connected to the solenoid right? What do you get when it's not plugged in to the solenoid? I think you also mentioned that the green wire had no power at one point. You moved some wires and now it has power. The voltage drop could be due to the wire itself or one of the connectors that it has being damaged or corroded.
Is the bike's starter, clutch and all together enough to try bypassing the green wire? I can't remember if you tried running a wire direct from the battery + to the solenoid where the green wire plugs in. If you try this, MAKE SURE your in neutral.
Just a thought,
Tom
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Have you seen it run?
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Yes with nothing connected to it in the inner primary case. It screams, and with the jackshaft in, it did turn the jackshaft a couple of times, then it clicked after that, so that also is pointing to the starter.
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Very possible it thru some soldered wires out of the commentator. Manual turn it and see if it will go. It's obviously drawing battery down.
Could be just acting like a big magnet stuck with the next tug dead.
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I tried turning it when I installed the jackshaft, it did turn the starter when I tightened the jackshaft with a socket wrench 1/4 drive pretty easily.
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If everything is back together and you haven't found much you can point a finger at
Doing this ain't for everyone but I have done it a number of times over the years.
It's not consider a good way but it works
Would you have a extra terminal that fits the solenoid connection. if so put it on a length of say 12 ga. stranded wire
Plug it on the starter and brace for some sparks put the other end of the wire against the positive battery terminal.
Very very shadtree way to ck something and you maybe hesitate to do it and that's fine . Just keep plugging along
Yup burned some fingers doing it
WP
Post 84 was going the same direction .
Doing this ain't for everyone but I have done it a number of times over the years.
It's not consider a good way but it works
Would you have a extra terminal that fits the solenoid connection. if so put it on a length of say 12 ga. stranded wire
Plug it on the starter and brace for some sparks put the other end of the wire against the positive battery terminal.
Very very shadtree way to ck something and you maybe hesitate to do it and that's fine . Just keep plugging along
Yup burned some fingers doing it
WP
Post 84 was going the same direction .
Last edited by WP50; Jul 20, 2023 at 05:38 PM.
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New starter relay seems to be a dud. When you cycle the ignition switch to OFF and hear a click, did you confirm it was coming from the relay?
The green wire to the starter solenoid. When you get the about 7.5V, that is with the green wire connected to the solenoid right? What do you get when it's not plugged in to the solenoid? I think you also mentioned that the green wire had no power at one point. You moved some wires and now it has power. The voltage drop could be due to the wire itself or one of the connectors that it has being damaged or corroded.
Is the bike's starter, clutch and all together enough to try bypassing the green wire? I can't remember if you tried running a wire direct from the battery + to the solenoid where the green wire plugs in. If you try this, MAKE SURE your in neutral.
Just a thought,
Tom
The green wire to the starter solenoid. When you get the about 7.5V, that is with the green wire connected to the solenoid right? What do you get when it's not plugged in to the solenoid? I think you also mentioned that the green wire had no power at one point. You moved some wires and now it has power. The voltage drop could be due to the wire itself or one of the connectors that it has being damaged or corroded.
Is the bike's starter, clutch and all together enough to try bypassing the green wire? I can't remember if you tried running a wire direct from the battery + to the solenoid where the green wire plugs in. If you try this, MAKE SURE your in neutral.
Just a thought,
Tom
