Smoked a 600 crotch rocket
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All you meanies picking on the squids with their 600cc bikes.
If you were to get the displacement of the bikes in the ballpark and go up against a liter bike it would be a different story, especially if you met a v-twin 1000cc machine. The horsepower to weight ratio would be a killer for your Harley at that point.
Pick on your own size bullies! [Sarcasm off]"
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Ducati 1198
1/4-mile: 10.7@138 mph
Yamaha R1
1/4-mile: 10.5@139 mph
Kawasaki ZX-10R
1/4-mile: 10.7@138 mph
Honda CBR1000RR
1/4-mile: 10.4@139 mph
Suzuki GSX-R1000
1/4-mile: 10.4@142 mph
Suzuki Hayabusa
1/4-mile: 10.5@142 mph
BMW S1000RR
1/4-mile: 10.3@144 mph
With average riders on the liter bikes I have seen stock 1000 CC sporbikes at the track run mid-high 10's-Never in the 9's without mods or a PRO riding them.
You ain't gonna run across Gadson on the street or pro-experienced drag racers when you pull up to them at a light.
Again, cornering in the canyons or top end freeway they own the world-but they don't own the lights....
I've been whipped by more sportbikes over the years than I can remember-but I keep on comin' after them.
I have been at this game a long time.
I joined the 11 Second Club in 2001, the 10 Second Club on 02', and finally the super rare 9 Second Club in 06'.
Usually when I take them out, I hammer them at the tree, then after the 1/8 mile I can hear them coming on me screamin'-hopefully I take them before the 1/4 mile is up, or they fly past me...
The average sportbike rider when launching his stock wheelbase sportbike UNDER PRESSURE (race conditions), wheelies, bogs, or gets out of shape...
It takes a ton of work to make a street Harley have this level of performance-for example for just a few of my mods:
160 plus HP and 150 ft lbs-
Super light bike with carbon fiber bodywork, aluminum gas tank, light wheels etc...-
Backcut trans with full electric pushbutton shift-
Experienced rider-
Clutch that slips when I hammer it and locks up at a per determined point to keep the tire from spinning-
Super stickey rear tire-
6" extension of the swingarm-
Shiftlight to keep accurate shift points-
Chassis reinforcement-
Lowered stance-
ceramic wheel bearings, and on and on...
Obviously, not a typical Harley, but it is a Harley Vin bike that is reliable and lots of fun...
[Sarcasm On]
All you meanies picking on the squids with their 600cc bikes.
If you were to get the displacement of the bikes in the ballpark and go up against a liter bike it would be a different story, especially if you met a v-twin 1000cc machine. The horsepower to weight ratio would be a killer for your Harley at that point.
Pick on your own size bullies! [Sarcasm off]"
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Ducati 1198
1/4-mile: 10.7@138 mph
Yamaha R1
1/4-mile: 10.5@139 mph
Kawasaki ZX-10R
1/4-mile: 10.7@138 mph
Honda CBR1000RR
1/4-mile: 10.4@139 mph
Suzuki GSX-R1000
1/4-mile: 10.4@142 mph
Suzuki Hayabusa
1/4-mile: 10.5@142 mph
BMW S1000RR
1/4-mile: 10.3@144 mph
With average riders on the liter bikes I have seen stock 1000 CC sporbikes at the track run mid-high 10's-Never in the 9's without mods or a PRO riding them.
You ain't gonna run across Gadson on the street or pro-experienced drag racers when you pull up to them at a light.
Again, cornering in the canyons or top end freeway they own the world-but they don't own the lights....
I've been whipped by more sportbikes over the years than I can remember-but I keep on comin' after them.
I have been at this game a long time.
I joined the 11 Second Club in 2001, the 10 Second Club on 02', and finally the super rare 9 Second Club in 06'.
Usually when I take them out, I hammer them at the tree, then after the 1/8 mile I can hear them coming on me screamin'-hopefully I take them before the 1/4 mile is up, or they fly past me...
The average sportbike rider when launching his stock wheelbase sportbike UNDER PRESSURE (race conditions), wheelies, bogs, or gets out of shape...
It takes a ton of work to make a street Harley have this level of performance-for example for just a few of my mods:
160 plus HP and 150 ft lbs-
Super light bike with carbon fiber bodywork, aluminum gas tank, light wheels etc...-
Backcut trans with full electric pushbutton shift-
Experienced rider-
Clutch that slips when I hammer it and locks up at a per determined point to keep the tire from spinning-
Super stickey rear tire-
6" extension of the swingarm-
Shiftlight to keep accurate shift points-
Chassis reinforcement-
Lowered stance-
ceramic wheel bearings, and on and on...
Obviously, not a typical Harley, but it is a Harley Vin bike that is reliable and lots of fun...
Last edited by PWMORRIS; Dec 2, 2012 at 03:30 PM.
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You failed to put a couple of the faster performers from the liter bike class in your list:
10' BMW S1000RR ran a 9.57 1/4 as shown in the 6/20 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
08' Ducati 1098R ran a 9.75 1/4 as shown in the 8/08 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
09' Ducati 1098R ran a 9.75 1/4 as shown in the 10/09 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
10' Desmosedeci ran a 9.49 1/4 as shown in the 6/10 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
05' Honda CBR1000RR ran a 9.95 1/4 as shown in 5/05 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
98' Kawasaki ZX-9R ran a 9.99 1/4 as shown in 12/98, 12/99 issues of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
Suzuki has several bikes under 10 seconds according to Sport Rider Magazine.
At this point I'm tired of typing in all the 9 second club members and will instead post a link for you:
http://www.sportrider.com/performanc...s/viewall.html
There are plenty of members of that club from ALL manufacturers. Why would you think that the guys who ride these bikes are any less experienced than you? I would hazard to guess that these guys are EVERY bit as experienced as getting off the line as you. Imagine what these guys would run if they put some aftermarket stuff on their bikes.
Not belittling what you have done, it's quite the accomplishment and a bad machine but you aren't the first, last, nor the only one to break the 9 second barrier.
Imagine what those guys on sportbikes would run if they put 1/10th of what you have into your bike into theirs. it would probably look something like this:
What did you say your bike weighs?
10' BMW S1000RR ran a 9.57 1/4 as shown in the 6/20 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
08' Ducati 1098R ran a 9.75 1/4 as shown in the 8/08 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
09' Ducati 1098R ran a 9.75 1/4 as shown in the 10/09 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
10' Desmosedeci ran a 9.49 1/4 as shown in the 6/10 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
05' Honda CBR1000RR ran a 9.95 1/4 as shown in 5/05 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
98' Kawasaki ZX-9R ran a 9.99 1/4 as shown in 12/98, 12/99 issues of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
Suzuki has several bikes under 10 seconds according to Sport Rider Magazine.
At this point I'm tired of typing in all the 9 second club members and will instead post a link for you:
http://www.sportrider.com/performanc...s/viewall.html
There are plenty of members of that club from ALL manufacturers. Why would you think that the guys who ride these bikes are any less experienced than you? I would hazard to guess that these guys are EVERY bit as experienced as getting off the line as you. Imagine what these guys would run if they put some aftermarket stuff on their bikes.
Not belittling what you have done, it's quite the accomplishment and a bad machine but you aren't the first, last, nor the only one to break the 9 second barrier.
Imagine what those guys on sportbikes would run if they put 1/10th of what you have into your bike into theirs. it would probably look something like this:
What did you say your bike weighs?
Last edited by Juan L; Dec 2, 2012 at 05:29 PM.
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Good kill story!
Not any more. The advantage is still on the roll against an expert rider. A GT-R, 911 TT PDK, Aventador and Veyron are all mid-high 2-sec cars like an expertly launched liter bike. But none trap in the high 140s/low 150s except maybe the Veyron SS.
Very true.
Blasts up to 100mph on a 6 lane, limited access highway with no traffic from a light are safer than a daily commute at 70-80mph.
Exactly but...
Please, you can launch it like you do on the street, pull a 1.8 or 1.9 60ft time and get a trap speed that will tell everyone how fast the bike really is.
True, my BMW makes 265hp/425ft lbs stock and should runs 14.0, 13.9s at 100-101mph. Roughly the same as a 300hp G37.
However, a chip taking it to 325-345hp/525hp takes it to low 13s @ 105mph or so, so a better ET but a trap speed no better than a 330-350hp BMW 335i.
My point being is there is some ratio/formula I haven't seen a enough data for to wrap my head around it.
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1. If it was a liter bike, no doubt you beat the rider, especially since he was pulling a wheelie. If it was a 600, and he pulled a wheelie after the 25mph roll, another kill over the rider and the bike.
2. The roll-on at 25mph negates the launch factor and a liter bike will pull a mid-2 0-60, a 600 a low, low 3-second. A really built Harley isn't going to beat a liter bike off the line, but possibly a 600.
3. An expertly ridden 600 is a low, low 11-sec, low 130mph bike. I could see a good race against such a bike at least to 100mph.
IMO, liter bike - you beat the rider. A 600 you beat the rider who could have made it really interesting.
Not any more. The advantage is still on the roll against an expert rider. A GT-R, 911 TT PDK, Aventador and Veyron are all mid-high 2-sec cars like an expertly launched liter bike. But none trap in the high 140s/low 150s except maybe the Veyron SS.
However, a chip taking it to 325-345hp/525hp takes it to low 13s @ 105mph or so, so a better ET but a trap speed no better than a 330-350hp BMW 335i.
My point being is there is some ratio/formula I haven't seen a enough data for to wrap my head around it.
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1. If it was a liter bike, no doubt you beat the rider, especially since he was pulling a wheelie. If it was a 600, and he pulled a wheelie after the 25mph roll, another kill over the rider and the bike.
2. The roll-on at 25mph negates the launch factor and a liter bike will pull a mid-2 0-60, a 600 a low, low 3-second. A really built Harley isn't going to beat a liter bike off the line, but possibly a 600.
3. An expertly ridden 600 is a low, low 11-sec, low 130mph bike. I could see a good race against such a bike at least to 100mph.
IMO, liter bike - you beat the rider. A 600 you beat the rider who could have made it really interesting.
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[quote=rwhisen;10618616]You failed to put a couple of the faster performers from the liter bike class in your list:
10' BMW S1000RR ran a 9.57 1/4 as shown in the 6/20 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
08' Ducati 1098R ran a 9.75 1/4 as shown in the 8/08 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
09' Ducati 1098R ran a 9.75 1/4 as shown in the 10/09 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
10' Desmosedeci ran a 9.49 1/4 as shown in the 6/10 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
05' Honda CBR1000RR ran a 9.95 1/4 as shown in 5/05 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
98' Kawasaki ZX-9R ran a 9.99 1/4 as shown in 12/98, 12/99 issues of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
Suzuki has several bikes under 10 seconds according to Sport Rider Magazine.
At this point I'm tired of typing in all the 9 second club members and will instead post a link for you:
http://www.sportrider.com/performanc...s/viewall.html
There are plenty of members of that club from ALL manufacturers. Why would you think that the guys who ride these bikes are any less experienced than you? I would hazard to guess that these guys are EVERY bit as experienced as getting off the line as you. Imagine what these guys would run if they put some aftermarket stuff on their bikes.
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No doubt,
There are some damn fast sportbikes out there-re-read what I said in the above post-
"I HAVE BEEN WHIPPED BY MORE SPORTBIKES THAN I CAN REMEMBER"
Those 1/4 mile times you quoted are from PRO RIDERS hired to ride the bikes under the best conditions to show off the companies' products...You ain't gonna see them on the street or at your local track-they are busy carving canyons or doin' wheelies.
Go to the track and watch the regular joe guys run their sportbikes-10's and 11's ALL DAY...(unless modded or experienced guys)-
Of course with mods the sportbikes would whip my azz-some even do it stock as I said, but some get beat as well. That is NOT the point. The point for me is to see what a HARLEY can do, and what it is capable off...
10' BMW S1000RR ran a 9.57 1/4 as shown in the 6/20 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
08' Ducati 1098R ran a 9.75 1/4 as shown in the 8/08 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
09' Ducati 1098R ran a 9.75 1/4 as shown in the 10/09 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
10' Desmosedeci ran a 9.49 1/4 as shown in the 6/10 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
05' Honda CBR1000RR ran a 9.95 1/4 as shown in 5/05 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
98' Kawasaki ZX-9R ran a 9.99 1/4 as shown in 12/98, 12/99 issues of Sport Rider Magazine. Stock.
Suzuki has several bikes under 10 seconds according to Sport Rider Magazine.
At this point I'm tired of typing in all the 9 second club members and will instead post a link for you:
http://www.sportrider.com/performanc...s/viewall.html
There are plenty of members of that club from ALL manufacturers. Why would you think that the guys who ride these bikes are any less experienced than you? I would hazard to guess that these guys are EVERY bit as experienced as getting off the line as you. Imagine what these guys would run if they put some aftermarket stuff on their bikes.
[quote]
No doubt,
There are some damn fast sportbikes out there-re-read what I said in the above post-
"I HAVE BEEN WHIPPED BY MORE SPORTBIKES THAN I CAN REMEMBER"
Those 1/4 mile times you quoted are from PRO RIDERS hired to ride the bikes under the best conditions to show off the companies' products...You ain't gonna see them on the street or at your local track-they are busy carving canyons or doin' wheelies.
Go to the track and watch the regular joe guys run their sportbikes-10's and 11's ALL DAY...(unless modded or experienced guys)-
Of course with mods the sportbikes would whip my azz-some even do it stock as I said, but some get beat as well. That is NOT the point. The point for me is to see what a HARLEY can do, and what it is capable off...
Last edited by PWMORRIS; Dec 2, 2012 at 07:02 PM.
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Or, what 60ft and trap speed?
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In right lane getting beat by a Busa with an extended arm, pipe, shifter, and a few other mods.
I jumped him out of the hole but his HP just kept pulling on me. Look how my bike ran out of stream up top and his just kept making more and more BIG mph...(his mph killed me). This is NOT a stock sportbike that took me out-
Don't want to jack this thread so done here.
Just supporting the OP bad azz rocker and showing the uneducated that there are some FAST Harley's out there...it may take a lot of work but it can be done...
Last edited by PWMORRIS; Dec 2, 2012 at 07:54 PM.
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Street tire with air pressure dropped, no bar, boost, or spray-
In right lane getting beat by a Busa with an extended arm, pipe, shifter, and a few other mods.
I jumped him out of the hole but his HP just kept pulling on me. Look how my bike ran out of stream up top and his just kept making more and more BIG mph...(his mph killed me). This is NOT a stock sportbike that took me out-
Don't want to jack this thread so done here.
Just supporting the OP bad azz rocker and showing the uneducated that there are some FAST Harley's out there...it may take a lot of work but it can be done...
In right lane getting beat by a Busa with an extended arm, pipe, shifter, and a few other mods.
I jumped him out of the hole but his HP just kept pulling on me. Look how my bike ran out of stream up top and his just kept making more and more BIG mph...(his mph killed me). This is NOT a stock sportbike that took me out-
Don't want to jack this thread so done here.
Just supporting the OP bad azz rocker and showing the uneducated that there are some FAST Harley's out there...it may take a lot of work but it can be done...
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Street tire with air pressure dropped, no bar, boost, or spray-
In right lane getting beat by a Busa with an extended arm, pipe, shifter, and a few other mods.
I jumped him out of the hole but his HP just kept pulling on me. Look how my bike ran out of stream up top and his just kept making more and more BIG mph...(his mph killed me). This is NOT a stock sportbike that took me out-
Don't want to jack this thread so done here.
Just supporting the OP bad azz rocker and showing the uneducated that there are some FAST Harley's out there...it may take a lot of work but it can be done...
In right lane getting beat by a Busa with an extended arm, pipe, shifter, and a few other mods.
I jumped him out of the hole but his HP just kept pulling on me. Look how my bike ran out of stream up top and his just kept making more and more BIG mph...(his mph killed me). This is NOT a stock sportbike that took me out-
Don't want to jack this thread so done here.
Just supporting the OP bad azz rocker and showing the uneducated that there are some FAST Harley's out there...it may take a lot of work but it can be done...
