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I have a 2010 Ultra Classic giong to be doing some work on it. Putting on K&N high flow air cleaner kit, Fullsac Dx header pipe and Fullsac CVO 2" power core baffles. Wondering best way to go for tuning. TTs Master tuner or SERT and dyon job. SERT and dyno more money but is it werth it. Thanks
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From: Phoenix '53, '88, '09 Big Twins
there are a few other ways to go- alot of the guys here shop with fuelmoto- check the options there. the customer support is outstanding.
on the low end; nightrider.com xieds... and that's what I use- under $125
they simply make the mixture a little richer, rev limit remains the same. plug and play..10 minutes and done
This is such a complex subject with multiple options, take the time to do some reading.
for just air cleaner and pipes you are going to pick up 7 to 10 horsepower just by "uncorking" the motor- more air in, more exhaust out. The tuner is not going to make a huge difference in the power result, it is just there to allow more fuel to match the increased air.
the type of tuner chosen becomes more of a contributor when cams and headwork or big bore are involved
for a stage 1 you'll get that 7 to 10 HP, some guys pay a few hundred bucks, some guys pay a couple of thousand bucks..pretty much the same result on the street
the "cheep" stage 1 is ness big sucker ( chrome backing plate version) from easternpc on ebay- $120
Nightrider.com xieds- under $125
Re-use stock mufflers, have the cat taken out of your header- you can buy a decatted header on ebay for about $150
= $395
Mike
on the low end; nightrider.com xieds... and that's what I use- under $125
they simply make the mixture a little richer, rev limit remains the same. plug and play..10 minutes and done
This is such a complex subject with multiple options, take the time to do some reading.
for just air cleaner and pipes you are going to pick up 7 to 10 horsepower just by "uncorking" the motor- more air in, more exhaust out. The tuner is not going to make a huge difference in the power result, it is just there to allow more fuel to match the increased air.
the type of tuner chosen becomes more of a contributor when cams and headwork or big bore are involved
for a stage 1 you'll get that 7 to 10 HP, some guys pay a few hundred bucks, some guys pay a couple of thousand bucks..pretty much the same result on the street
the "cheep" stage 1 is ness big sucker ( chrome backing plate version) from easternpc on ebay- $120
Nightrider.com xieds- under $125
Re-use stock mufflers, have the cat taken out of your header- you can buy a decatted header on ebay for about $150
= $395
Mike
Last edited by mkguitar; Jan 1, 2016 at 09:48 PM.
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From: Utah
Welcome to the forum.
We are currently using DynoJet, Power Vision tuners on 2 Limiteds and would recommend you add that tuner to your short list. Easy to install maps and very easy to run auto-tune. Our bikes have Stage 1, (headers, slipons and high flow air cleaners) and run great. The tuners have the bikes running so well I don't feel like I need to get them dynoed.
Go here and watch some of the training videos:
http://www.dynojet.com/powervision/
Good Luck
We are currently using DynoJet, Power Vision tuners on 2 Limiteds and would recommend you add that tuner to your short list. Easy to install maps and very easy to run auto-tune. Our bikes have Stage 1, (headers, slipons and high flow air cleaners) and run great. The tuners have the bikes running so well I don't feel like I need to get them dynoed.
Go here and watch some of the training videos:
http://www.dynojet.com/powervision/
Good Luck
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You can always save money with the resistors(xieds, etc.), but to get an actual/comprehensive tune, you need a real tuner.
Since you asked, I would recommend the Power Vision. It loads the instructions directly into your ECM, so there is no extra stuff connected semi-permanently to your ECM. Once you get things they way you want, you remove the PV and store it away in it's box. You can also download into the PV your stock ECM settings for future re-loading them if you ever wanted to go back to a stock configuration.
Another plus for the PV is that hundreds of guys have them and you will likely be able to find a tune that will work just fine for the hardware you plan to bolt on to the bike. Fuel Moto, forum sponsor, will even load their best tune calibration for your bike and hardware configuration into the PV if you purchase it from them. Then when you get it, you hook it up and upload that tune to your ECM and go riding (after you save your stock configuration).
Using this approach, you save money because there is usually no real need for dyno runs since the calibration Fuel Moto will send you has already been developed on their dynos. Some purests will argue that you always need a bunch of dyno runs to properly tune a bike, but don't believe it cause it just ain't so.
Since you asked, I would recommend the Power Vision. It loads the instructions directly into your ECM, so there is no extra stuff connected semi-permanently to your ECM. Once you get things they way you want, you remove the PV and store it away in it's box. You can also download into the PV your stock ECM settings for future re-loading them if you ever wanted to go back to a stock configuration.
Another plus for the PV is that hundreds of guys have them and you will likely be able to find a tune that will work just fine for the hardware you plan to bolt on to the bike. Fuel Moto, forum sponsor, will even load their best tune calibration for your bike and hardware configuration into the PV if you purchase it from them. Then when you get it, you hook it up and upload that tune to your ECM and go riding (after you save your stock configuration).
Using this approach, you save money because there is usually no real need for dyno runs since the calibration Fuel Moto will send you has already been developed on their dynos. Some purests will argue that you always need a bunch of dyno runs to properly tune a bike, but don't believe it cause it just ain't so.
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If your plans are to put it on a dyno, find a good reputable tuner ( the guy, not the device ) and ask him what device he recommends. To me, the guy running the dyno is more important than the device. His knowledge and expertise is the key. A guy that doesn't know what he's doing can take the best device in the world in a make your bike run like crap. Or vice versa, a good one can take a cheap device and make your bike sing like a choir. If you find the right guy, he might even be able to go straight in and tune your ecm direct. No device. Ask him what device he likes to use and go with that. He'll be familiar with it and no how to use it to it's fullest.
I had similar mods as you when new and had it tuned by the dealer with a SERT as part of the purchase and felt like something wasn't quite right. I did some research and found a local indy with a dyno and a very good reputation. Took it to him and it was a whole new bike. With no mechanical mods at all, he changed the tune and it ran smoother, stronger and got better mileage. Same SERT
As already mentioned, for the minor mods you're making, most tuning devices will work just fine as long as the guy installing it knows how to use it.
Good luck.
I had similar mods as you when new and had it tuned by the dealer with a SERT as part of the purchase and felt like something wasn't quite right. I did some research and found a local indy with a dyno and a very good reputation. Took it to him and it was a whole new bike. With no mechanical mods at all, he changed the tune and it ran smoother, stronger and got better mileage. Same SERT
As already mentioned, for the minor mods you're making, most tuning devices will work just fine as long as the guy installing it knows how to use it.
Good luck.
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From: Western Washington
If your plans are to put it on a dyno, find a good reputable tuner ( the guy, not the device ) and ask him what device he recommends. To me, the guy running the dyno is more important than the device. His knowledge and expertise is the key. A guy that doesn't know what he's doing can take the best device in the world in a make your bike run like crap. Or vice versa, a good one can take a cheap device and make your bike sing like a choir. If you find the right guy, he might even be able to go straight in and tune your ecm direct. No device. Ask him what device he likes to use and go with that. He'll be familiar with it and no how to use it to it's fullest. I had similar mods as you when new and had it tuned by the dealer with a SERT as part of the purchase and felt like something wasn't quite right. I did some research and found a local indy with a dyno and a very good reputation. Took it to him and it was a whole new bike. With no mechanical mods at all, he changed the tune and it ran smoother, stronger and got better mileage. Same SERT
As already mentioned, for the minor mods you're making, most tuning devices will work just fine as long as the guy installing it knows how to use it.
Good luck.
As already mentioned, for the minor mods you're making, most tuning devices will work just fine as long as the guy installing it knows how to use it.
Good luck.
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Like I said I think you can get your bike tuned very well with the PV without getting it Dynoed but if you want it dynoed this is where I would go in your area:
http://www.fuelmotousa.com/
http://www.fuelmotousa.com/
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