Touring Models Road King, Road King Custom, Road King Classic, Road Glide, Street Glide, Electra Glide, Electra Glide Classic, and Electra Glide Ultra Classic bikes.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Electrical issues

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 18, 2025 | 05:46 PM
  #141  
Rounders's Avatar
Rounders
Seasoned HDF Member
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 17,725
Likes: 3,499
From: backwoods
Default

Originally Posted by Max Headflow
Open the wiring diagrams for both bikes and look where the Orange/White goes. Also Orange/Violet and Orange/Red. Count the connectors. Everything has resistance. Remember V = I x R The pigtail connects directly to the battery.
One time out of boredom I looked up the resistance to the wires and did some math for voltage drop.

You are not experience voltage drop on your bike from length of wire,
 
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2025 | 05:50 PM
  #142  
Max Headflow's Avatar
Max Headflow
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 19,786
Likes: 7,941
From: poway
Default

Originally Posted by Rounders
One time out of boredom I looked up the resistance to the wires and did some math for voltage drop.

You are not experience voltage drop on your bike from length of wire,

18 gauge wire is approx.. 6.5 ohms per 1000 feet.
 
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2025 | 05:53 PM
  #143  
Rounders's Avatar
Rounders
Seasoned HDF Member
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 17,725
Likes: 3,499
From: backwoods
Default

Originally Posted by Max Headflow
18 gauge wire is approx.. 6.5 ohms per 1000 feet.
So go and do the math. I did it once a while back. And as I said it was nothing.

Voltage drop is real, and you can do calculations. But you are wasting time here. Stick with your little stuff.
 
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2025 | 06:07 PM
  #144  
Max Headflow's Avatar
Max Headflow
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 19,786
Likes: 7,941
From: poway
Default

Originally Posted by Rounders
So go and do the math. I did it once a while back. And as I said it was nothing.

Voltage drop is real, and you can do calculations. But you are wasting time here. Stick with your little stuff.
The big ones are the wire terminations: connectors, switches, fuse blocks etc.
 

Last edited by Max Headflow; Jun 18, 2025 at 06:10 PM. Reason: Rounders grammar rubbing off.
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2025 | 06:13 PM
  #145  
Rounders's Avatar
Rounders
Seasoned HDF Member
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 17,725
Likes: 3,499
From: backwoods
Default

Originally Posted by Max Headflow
The big one is the wire terminations: connectors, switches, fuse blocks etc.
Then why tell me the ohm value of wire? Cripes any schmuck can google that.

I am not disagreeing terminations can have an effect. But I would rather have it where I can see it, and worry about that, then where I can't see it.

How tight of connection the cig lighter makes is a question. Replacing stock one is probably best. This just seems fun to play with it.
 
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2025 | 06:30 PM
  #146  
Max Headflow's Avatar
Max Headflow
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 19,786
Likes: 7,941
From: poway
Default

Originally Posted by Rounders
Then why tell me the ohm value of wire? Cripes any schmuck can google that.

I am not disagreeing terminations can have an effect. But I would rather have it where I can see it, and worry about that, then where I can't see it.

How tight of connection the cig lighter makes is a question. Replacing stock one is probably best. This just seems fun to play with it.
Thought it might help.. I guess TMI.

How tight the cig light connections are is not the question, The input impedance of the voltmeter is likely 10Meg.. If the resistance is 1000 ohms , will make 0.01% difference on the meter. It's all the connections that the wire has to go through to the other loads that might bring the voltage down. Look at the wiring diagram.
 
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2025 | 06:43 PM
  #147  
Rounders's Avatar
Rounders
Seasoned HDF Member
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 17,725
Likes: 3,499
From: backwoods
Default

Originally Posted by Max Headflow
Thought it might help.. I guess TMI.

.
I just think not worth it. Maybe it matters in the little stuff you deal. I also think you could adjust in your head if need be. If normally read 14.1 when riding, and all the sudden is 13.8, then you should take note.

Where it may come into play is at rest votlage which is valuable. But the cig lighter does not come on when bike is off. At rest batteries a 1/10 means something. But even in that case, if you normally read 12.5 every day, and it guys down, you can look into it.

But don't blow smoke about length of wire.

At work we make a great deal of crimped connections on CTs, and these are extremely sensitive. Good clean crimps. I think you are just making big deal to make a big deal. Again maybe in your little world it matters.

It is just a voltmeter on a harley
 
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2025 | 06:54 PM
  #148  
Max Headflow's Avatar
Max Headflow
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 19,786
Likes: 7,941
From: poway
Default

Originally Posted by Rounders
I just think not worth it. Maybe it matters in the little stuff you deal. I also think you could adjust in your head if need be. If normally read 14.1 when riding, and all the sudden is 13.8, then you should take note.

Where it may come into play is at rest votlage which is valuable. But the cig lighter does not come on when bike is off. At rest batteries a 1/10 means something. But even in that case, if you normally read 12.5 every day, and it guys down, you can look into it.

But don't blow smoke about length of wire.

At work we make a great deal of crimped connections on CTs, and these are extremely sensitive. Good clean crimps. I think you are just making big deal to make a big deal. Again maybe in your little world it matters.

It is just a voltmeter on a harley
If that's the case, why not simply use the dash voltmeter? Not sure where you got all wound up in the wire?

Add: what does the red mean?
 

Last edited by Max Headflow; Jun 18, 2025 at 06:57 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2025 | 07:00 PM
  #149  
Rounders's Avatar
Rounders
Seasoned HDF Member
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2021
Posts: 17,725
Likes: 3,499
From: backwoods
Default

Originally Posted by Max Headflow
If that's the case, why not simply use the dash voltmeter? Not sure where you got all wound up in the wire?

Add: what does the red mean?
A battery at rest, 12.7 means something as 12.6 does. There are tables in most manuals telling you what percentage of battery life this equates too. I would like it in the dash I just don't feel like pulling dash apart.
Originally Posted by Rounders
I was, but cig lighter is easy
f
Originally Posted by Rounders
O

You are not experience voltage drop on your bike from length of wire,
 

Last edited by Rounders; Jun 18, 2025 at 07:03 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2025 | 07:11 PM
  #150  
Max Headflow's Avatar
Max Headflow
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 19,786
Likes: 7,941
From: poway
Default

Originally Posted by Rounders
A battery at rest, 12.7 means something as 12.6 does. There are tables in most manuals telling you what percentage of battery life this equates too. I would like it in the dash I just don't feel like pulling dash apart.
So you like to sit on your bike and look at the voltage with the ignition off?
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:27 AM.