Got IDS Today...report
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From: Northern California
RE: Got IDS Today...report
I feel silly...I was told the elbo grease program was the dealer program. Now I know it was from Harley. I did see all the stuff they would do at a discount under that name. I was told it was from my dealer. I guess, they just let me think they were offering the deal. All is well that ends well.
Thanks for the heads-up
Scott
Thanks for the heads-up
Scott
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Joined: Jun 2007
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From: Ashby, Ma
RE: Got IDS Today...report
ORIGINAL: glens
We all have right to our opinions and their expression.
Mine is that the bike was 100% right from the beginning (mine was anyway, and it makes plenty of noises). This IDS doesn't fix anything, it merely makes the Harley more Goldwinglike. I'm still on the fence about getting one. On the one hand I'd like a little "smoother" operation in some areas/respects but don't want to lose the "unsmoothness" in other areas and fear it would disappear with the IDS. The noises don't bother me. I think they give the ride character/soul.
ORIGINAL: choochoo
Kinda my point.
HD knows they screwed up in 07 with the drive train.
Now they come out with a after fix that they expect people to pay for.
when if they had designed it right in the first place the "fix" wouldn't be needed.
Just another finger job from the moco!!
ORIGINAL: texas steve
Yep, my opinions exactly!!! Its like the bike should have been from the begining!
Yep, my opinions exactly!!! Its like the bike should have been from the begining!
HD knows they screwed up in 07 with the drive train.
Now they come out with a after fix that they expect people to pay for.
when if they had designed it right in the first place the "fix" wouldn't be needed.
Just another finger job from the moco!!
Mine is that the bike was 100% right from the beginning (mine was anyway, and it makes plenty of noises). This IDS doesn't fix anything, it merely makes the Harley more Goldwinglike. I'm still on the fence about getting one. On the one hand I'd like a little "smoother" operation in some areas/respects but don't want to lose the "unsmoothness" in other areas and fear it would disappear with the IDS. The noises don't bother me. I think they give the ride character/soul.
It'll just be a nicer Harley.
Road Captain
Joined: Nov 2006
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RE: Got IDS Today...report
The Elbow Grease program is not available in Canada.
MSRP for the IDS is $379 CDN despite our dollar today at $1.018 vs US$.
Bellingham HD is quoting $329 US despite P&A cost of $305. They cite additional freight to their location...BS. Also say install is $126 less $100 through EG.
I have ordered through Zanotti for $225 total which includes bearing press and freight. These are now on back order with a 5 day wait. Zanotti will not be taking phone orders anymore on any purchase. Must be done through internet as business volume has placed increased workload on staff.
For all you Canadian HD owners, if you are close to the border, go south for your bling but shop around first. Alberta residents pay no state taxes as we are residents of a tax exempt province. Chances are you will not pay GST or PST to customs either.
MSRP for the IDS is $379 CDN despite our dollar today at $1.018 vs US$.
Bellingham HD is quoting $329 US despite P&A cost of $305. They cite additional freight to their location...BS. Also say install is $126 less $100 through EG.
I have ordered through Zanotti for $225 total which includes bearing press and freight. These are now on back order with a 5 day wait. Zanotti will not be taking phone orders anymore on any purchase. Must be done through internet as business volume has placed increased workload on staff.
For all you Canadian HD owners, if you are close to the border, go south for your bling but shop around first. Alberta residents pay no state taxes as we are residents of a tax exempt province. Chances are you will not pay GST or PST to customs either.
Tourer
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 250
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From: venice,florida
RE: Got IDS Today...report
i called rossiters harley in sarasota fl. on monday to inquire about this 100.00 towards labor on certain h-d parts of which one, is the ids kit . they knew nothing of it but said they would call mo-co. called back on wednesday and they had gotten a fax or flyer from h-d and said that there indeed was a 100.00 thing called elbo grease that they would get reimbursed from mo-co towards install of certain parts.
took bike up today to get ids installed. will get bike back tommorow.
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took bike up today to get ids installed. will get bike back tommorow.
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Joined: Sep 2005
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From: Baton Rouge, LA
RE: Got IDS Today...report
ORIGINAL: Zack
Had the IDS installed (no labor charge..moco will pay upto $100). Have ridden 150 miles since...around town, two lane highways and the 75 mph down the Interstate. About 90% of all the drivetrain noise has been eliminated plus it seems to shift & ride smoother. My conclusion...it is well worth it...knowing what I know now I would do it again.
Had the IDS installed (no labor charge..moco will pay upto $100). Have ridden 150 miles since...around town, two lane highways and the 75 mph down the Interstate. About 90% of all the drivetrain noise has been eliminated plus it seems to shift & ride smoother. My conclusion...it is well worth it...knowing what I know now I would do it again.
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Joined: Jul 2007
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From: Indy area
RE: Got IDS Today...report
Well, I guess "what is IDS?" should be placed into the FAQ by now.
It's a two-part rear wheel sprocket with elastomer bushings separating the halves. The belt-side of the sprocket has to go through them to get to the wheel hub. It softens individual blows, major and minor, which result from the great power pulses and the lesser, higher-frequency pulses introduced by such things as chain sprockets in the primary interfacing with the chain, the gears in the transmission interfacing with each other, and the cogs in the final belt interfacing with the sprockets.
The straight-cut gears (greatly more-so than the helical-cut ones, which actually slide sideways across each other as they interact, but will still exhibit the phenomenon) will chatter as they transmit the power. The higher-frequency chattering is what we love to call "whine". As the load transfers from one tooth face to its counterpart, the pressure on the far end will echo back after a slight delay which will cause a minor attempt at over-running the gearset as if you were decelerating. Of course it doesn't really over-run, but it effectively subtracts from the forward force that minute amount so a cyclic action ensues at a higher harmonic. Since there is imperfect (even in "perfectly" cut and matched gears) mesh, the "lash", it will actually bounce a little. The IDS dramatically reduces that "echo" of pressure coming back from the far end of the drivetrain, thereby muffling the whine.
Okay, so that's an imperfect description, but it's good enough for this venue, right?
It's a two-part rear wheel sprocket with elastomer bushings separating the halves. The belt-side of the sprocket has to go through them to get to the wheel hub. It softens individual blows, major and minor, which result from the great power pulses and the lesser, higher-frequency pulses introduced by such things as chain sprockets in the primary interfacing with the chain, the gears in the transmission interfacing with each other, and the cogs in the final belt interfacing with the sprockets.
ORIGINAL: iclick
I had no idea the 5th-gear whine would also be improved... I can't figure out how the cush drive affected the whine
I had no idea the 5th-gear whine would also be improved... I can't figure out how the cush drive affected the whine
Okay, so that's an imperfect description, but it's good enough for this venue, right?
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From: Central Oregon
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