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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 03:03 PM
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And it appears we are not allowed to talk about the Bagger Brace?
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 03:10 PM
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Works for me, I may go to the TRW for the center stand although I have other things to do before I fix what is not broke...

Check out my photos, I could not hug into a corner before I added the trutrac

The wobble for me was kind of and oval shaped spin that was out of balance if you can imagine such a thing
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 03:15 PM
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As I'm very interested in fixing this notorious "wobble", I'm waiting to hear the report from ULTRA Kla$$ic. My new AIM says that Sputhe Engineering is now coming out with a product to fix this dilemma. I know they produce quality products, so with price the variable, I'm interested in seeing where this goes. Thanks to all for your input. Good poop!
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 03:32 PM
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Ok ...all this advice is awesome and I've made my decision to go with the TWR...so can someone provide me info or a link on where I can get this group price ? Hurry before I wobble off my Glide into the median strip!!!!
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by iclick
I haven't ridden an '09 yet, but a friend just emailed me minutes ago that he had purchased an '09 RKC and that "it is way different." He's a former pro MC road racer and will have an opinion on this topic for sure. He promised a call this afternoon and I'll report back what I hear.
This is something I really want to hear about from your road racing friend. It seems the explanation for the wobble, rear end drift, (call it what you want) is a simple one. It would be really interesting to see how the MOCO has fixed the problem and compare it to all the different stabilizers being sold around here. Maybe there's a better mouse trap still to be had and Tracy or someone else may have to modify their own approach and design. All products go through original and improved models as develop and are tested in the field. Why not stabilizers. Falling prices are already reflecting the competition in this market. So why not improvements as well. Capitalism at work. Isn't America truly beautiful! Ya gotta love it.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cts1950
I think speed is a major issue. I have to say 80+ in my case throw in a sweeping curve and for good measure add a dip or a bump. We have a lot of roads in the hills that are not stable and often have dips caused by a slow moving slides. I think the mechanics of it are that in a turn at this speed you are side loading the frame and swing arm. So as long as you do nothing to upset that it will be OK but hitting a bump in that condition throws in a considerable amount of additional side loading which compresses the rear motor mount causing a over steer which will try to stand you up. That is the beginning of a oscillation that will increase in severity unless you can scrub the speed off quickly.
Excellent explanation. However, I have experienced this sensation at considerabley lower speeds. Going through 30 or 40 mph curves and hitting a bump definately gets the wiggle going. Even at slow speeds like when turning onto a road and hitting some bad pavement or a gutter can get it going in slow motion - feels like a flat tire.

Have received a TWR and hope to have it installed soon. Looking forward to a "less exciting" ride.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 04:14 PM
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I bought a TWR as it works with centerstand.I consider it a very worthwhile investment.If you havent experianced the infamous wobble you may not need one.Not every rider does but if you ever do,youll be wanting one of the stabilizers.HD changed the frame on the 09s and that may have fixed the problem.As far as which is best,I can only tell you the TWR worked for me.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 06:49 PM
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Guys I wonder if the manufactures don't design all of them to the best of their ability! I just ordered a Bagger_Brace and think it will work as well as any. I ride on 12 miles of nasty gravel one way every day just to get to work. I feel the wobble all the time. The highways in Colorado suck so when we do long rides we feel the wobble. I am sure any thing you do to promote better stability will make one feel better. They are all made to work to some point!
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 08:01 PM
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Let me toss this out for you guys to see how you all digest this.

For the sake of description, I'm going to refer to the side mounting device as Cleve block mounted, and the rival offerings as a Cross member mounted device.

Since we have no physical data, nor Physicist and/or Mechanical Engineer's input thus far WE have no idea how much FORCE of lateral thrust we are dealing with on these sometimes 2-up loaded down behemoths. That in and of itself is enough for physics to contend with, now throw in some long sweepers with varying transition AT 70+ MPH! That, my friends, could exert a lateral force that could prove difficult to reckon with let alone with human lives at stake. Bring on the potential solutions and what we are dealing with most, if not all, of the offerings to date are 2 conceptual designs. Cleve block mount vs. Cross member mount.

Since nobody as of yet can produce numbers of exactly how much FORCE of lateral gyration/torsion we are dealing related to this kinetic cause and effect phenomenon, I'm left to ponder how much STRESS the rear portion of the frame can actually endure.

Now this brings me to the meat of my concern. In terms of SURFACE AREA that these 2 principle offerings adhere to the frame, and since LATERAL movement is what is attempting to be controlled, what device WOULD withstand MORE pressure without undue stress to the components of the device and also to the frame of the motorcycle itself without adverse effects to either now or later?

The Cleve Block is held on PERPENDICULARLY to the side in a rather small surface area. The Cross member device is fastened LONGITUDINALLY over a much greater surface area, as BOTH attempt to subdue the aforementioned forces of kinesiology.

Hmmmm............anybody know exactly how much force the cleve block area of the frame can endure with a device "strapped" to it in an attempt to stop this "wobble" and if so, what kind of data could be presented to validate this area of the motorcycle being able to handle such stress?

I'm no rocket scientist, but I do play one on TV. Just kidding, but I would like some feedback on these issues.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 08:31 PM
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I have been following this topic closely all be it not for very long.
Looking at the bagger-brace vs TWR, It looks like will acccomplish the same thing (add stability) but it does attach to more of the frame and more of the pan. Seems to me that's a good thing, isn't it?
My riding season will end in a couple months, I'll follow this topic over the winter as you south guys get a longer season and then I'll decide what to get.
 
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