Installing SE compensator kit w/pics
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The stock unit can bottom out as the torque is applied from the engine from a quick stop or rapidly opening the throttle under load at low speed/low rpms. The stock spring set up cannot handle the rotational torque applied. That said, the SE unit has a beefier spring pack set up (stacked discs) to handle the load. The MoCo made the SE unit a standard factory issue item for model year 2011...
Kind of like the sliding weight on a dent puller. Bam!
These press-fit cranks are begging for a heavier compensator.
Originally Posted by hydrolock43 
That won't be happening. I'm not sure what company is releasing the new style to replace the SE compensator this spring but you can find it in the threads over on HTT. Rabos over on HTT has done a lot of research on this SE compensator problem. The grooves help and it seems one of the better oils is HDs Formula plus for this fretting not to start showing. I took a SE compensator off a bike last week that was on for 170 miles so i could put a clutch on and it was already showing the rusty fretting in the sprocket bore. I used Redlines primary/MTL and atf in my bike the clutch worked great but the SE compensator was getting destroyed very quickly. One thing after another.
That won't be happening. I'm not sure what company is releasing the new style to replace the SE compensator this spring but you can find it in the threads over on HTT. Rabos over on HTT has done a lot of research on this SE compensator problem. The grooves help and it seems one of the better oils is HDs Formula plus for this fretting not to start showing. I took a SE compensator off a bike last week that was on for 170 miles so i could put a clutch on and it was already showing the rusty fretting in the sprocket bore. I used Redlines primary/MTL and atf in my bike the clutch worked great but the SE compensator was getting destroyed very quickly. One thing after another.
Or do you have to pull the primary cover off to even have a clue?
(Hoping those guys had a hint when dumping their fluid).
My cover was off a few times since installing the SE Comp, while fussing with a pesky chain adjuster and I saw zero signs of trouble.
However, that was fairly early after installing the comp.
The reason I ask, is I am running fluid that is common with the guys that had issues.
I just can't see ripping my cover off to look, when I haven't had any negative symptoms. (But I am indeed tempted). LOL
Hate like hell to give my my MTL!!!!
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Not only does the stock one get weak and lose the ability to cushion the crank from shock, but it actually worsens the shock as it bottoms out.
Kind of like the sliding weight on a dent puller. Bam!
These press-fit cranks are begging for a heavier compensator.
Are any of these "rusty fretting" issues showing up during fluid changes?
Or do you have to pull the primary cover off to even have a clue?
(Hoping those guys had a hint when dumping their fluid).
My cover was off a few times since installing the SE Comp, while fussing with a pesky chain adjuster and I saw zero signs of trouble.
However, that was fairly early after installing the comp.
The reason I ask, is I am running fluid that is common with the guys that had issues.
I just can't see ripping my cover off to look, when I haven't had any negative symptoms. (But I am indeed tempted). LOL
Hate like hell to give my my MTL!!!!
Kind of like the sliding weight on a dent puller. Bam!
These press-fit cranks are begging for a heavier compensator.
Are any of these "rusty fretting" issues showing up during fluid changes?
Or do you have to pull the primary cover off to even have a clue?
(Hoping those guys had a hint when dumping their fluid).
My cover was off a few times since installing the SE Comp, while fussing with a pesky chain adjuster and I saw zero signs of trouble.
However, that was fairly early after installing the comp.
The reason I ask, is I am running fluid that is common with the guys that had issues.
I just can't see ripping my cover off to look, when I haven't had any negative symptoms. (But I am indeed tempted). LOL
Hate like hell to give my my MTL!!!!
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MtL is red tint probably won't see it. Was happy as hell with the MTL until the 1500 miles went by with the MTL and new SE compensator and did the engine swap. Did not like what was coming out of the sprocket area when i took the SE compensator off. I would say that you would not be able to see it in the oil until it got so bad as to notice other symptoms.
But I do believe it may be to my best interest to do so this spring, considering the fact that I run the SE comp.
Definately would be an easier option than ripping my primary cover off for an inspection, or worse.
Thanks.
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In exchange for my MTL?
Hell, I got some serious thinking to do! No decision yet, that's for sure.
I'm fussy about smooth shifts and good clutch bite.
Now I gotta start all over with the thought process.
ATF was my 2nd choice back when I was doing all my experimenting.
But it's too similar to MTL.
I'd feel like a criminal trying Formula +, but I ain't ruled it out. LOL
Hell, I got some serious thinking to do! No decision yet, that's for sure.
I'm fussy about smooth shifts and good clutch bite.
Now I gotta start all over with the thought process.
ATF was my 2nd choice back when I was doing all my experimenting.
But it's too similar to MTL.
I'd feel like a criminal trying Formula +, but I ain't ruled it out. LOL
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In exchange for my MTL?
Hell, I got some serious thinking to do! No decision yet, that's for sure.
I'm fussy about smooth shifts and good clutch bite.
Now I gotta start all over with the thought process.
ATF was my 2nd choice back when I was doing all my experimenting.
But it's too similar to MTL.
I'd feel like a criminal trying Formula +, but I ain't ruled it out. LOL
Hell, I got some serious thinking to do! No decision yet, that's for sure.
I'm fussy about smooth shifts and good clutch bite.
Now I gotta start all over with the thought process.
ATF was my 2nd choice back when I was doing all my experimenting.
But it's too similar to MTL.
I'd feel like a criminal trying Formula +, but I ain't ruled it out. LOL
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Did you check out the pictures in the thread over on HTT? That whole thread caused me a headache. I got the Formula plus in there and just for the heck of it i'm going to try some Golden spectro gear, claims to be better than atf for clutches and Rivera told me to try it with their clutch. Says 80w on the bottle looks thinner than that. Don't panic till you take a look at your compensator it might not have done it for some reason or another. The crankshaft bolt was under three dollars that they say to replace when removing the compensator and i have used the same primary gasket a few times still dry as a bone.
I'll look into the Golden Spectro. I know my Indy stocks their products, hopefully he'll have the primary version. I'd feel better trying that out than the ol' Harley stuff. Besides, I don't mind helping the Indy out either. He's good people.
Thanks for the tip!
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what about redline primary oil? cant use it? serious? really? what are choices and is this rumor of a new SE comp for real? i'm getting ready to do this one. its like buying an ipad...
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