2012 103 pinging HD solution
Intermediate
Joined: Oct 2006
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From: johnsville
It's pretty sad when you buy a brand new bike and have to start pouring significant cash into it just to get it to run as it should from the factory.
I just bought a new slim after spending months chasing problems with my Shovel only to find I am now doing the same thing on the new bike due to detonation.
Only had the new bike for a few months and am already regretting the decision to buy new.
I just bought a new slim after spending months chasing problems with my Shovel only to find I am now doing the same thing on the new bike due to detonation.
Only had the new bike for a few months and am already regretting the decision to buy new.
Tourer
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 416
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From: Dubuque, IA USA
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, has anyone solved a pinging problem by richening the mixture? Pinging doesn't occur because it's running lean at least on my bike its wasn't.....I was only able to stop my pinging by retarding the timing not richen the mixture? So, who 'fixed' the problem by throwing fuel at it?
I purchased the cables and software and started reading the SEPST sticky on this forum. When I picked up my bike, I asked if they did a real tune or just put in a canned map. He said they tuned it.
I pulled up the map that they used, and the canned map for my setup. The VE tables had been altered (probably smart-tuned), but the AFR and timing tables were exactly the same as the canned map.
I made two new AFR tables based on recommenedations from a couple of forum users. One was conservative and removed most of the pinging. The 2nd removed ALL of the pinging and all of the decel popping. My pipes are now black and dry instead of white as a bone (not excessively black), but ran as good as it always has. I made no mods to the timing table whatsoever. In addition, I pulled a fairly steep hill in 6th at about 60 MPH and it pulled strong with no pinging. Something I wouldn't have even thought about previously. I plan to lean out some areas on this map and tweak some more.
Below is the map I ran all day today with no pinging or popping.
Last edited by Guzz; Nov 18, 2012 at 07:49 PM.
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Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 2,007
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From: Ohio
I did, just this morning. Had a SE255 and CATless pipes put in at 5000 miles by dealer, along with a DynoTune. Pinged ever since. When I mentioned it to the service manager his response was "oh they all do that". At that point I decided the dealer wasn't going to be much help.
I purchased the cables and software and started reading the SEPST sticky on this forum. When I picked up my bike, I asked if they did a real tune or just put in a canned map. He said they tuned it.
I pulled up the map that they used, and the canned map for my setup. The VE tables had been altered (probably smart-tuned), but the AFR and timing tables were exactly the same as the canned map.
I made two new AFR tables based on recommenedations from a couple of forum users. One was conservative and removed most of the pinging. The 2nd removed ALL of the pinging and all of the decel popping. My pipes are now black and dry instead of white as a bone (not excessively black), but ran as good as it always has. I made no mods to the timing table whatsoever. In addition, I pulled a fairly steep hill in 6th at about 60 MPH and it pulled strong with no pinging. Something I wouldn't have even thought about previously. I plan to lean out some areas on this map and tweak some more.
I purchased the cables and software and started reading the SEPST sticky on this forum. When I picked up my bike, I asked if they did a real tune or just put in a canned map. He said they tuned it.
I pulled up the map that they used, and the canned map for my setup. The VE tables had been altered (probably smart-tuned), but the AFR and timing tables were exactly the same as the canned map.
I made two new AFR tables based on recommenedations from a couple of forum users. One was conservative and removed most of the pinging. The 2nd removed ALL of the pinging and all of the decel popping. My pipes are now black and dry instead of white as a bone (not excessively black), but ran as good as it always has. I made no mods to the timing table whatsoever. In addition, I pulled a fairly steep hill in 6th at about 60 MPH and it pulled strong with no pinging. Something I wouldn't have even thought about previously. I plan to lean out some areas on this map and tweak some more.
Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,905
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From: Hartford, AL
I am going to horrify a bunch of people with this post. Unless there is something I don't know, the 11, 12, 13 103's are the same. These engines are not high compression, well maybe compared to your B&S lawnmower.
I have the basic V&H stage 1 with a fuelpak. I am using the map they recommended with my components. 22.5K so far and no pinging or pre-ignition. I also use 87 almost exclusively. Have used some higher octane by accident, order of octane was different at a station I visited on a trip, and on purpose to see if there was any performance or efficiency gain. Actually some loss of efficiency and no performance change.
I have owned high compression vehicles that required higher octane. A 69 Vette with 11:1 and Porsche with 12:1. I know what pinging and pre-ignition sounds like and how to "time" it.
My 103 is stock inside and will stay that way. If in the future it needs an increase in octane to run correctly, then I will do it. In the meantime, 87 works just fine.
I have the basic V&H stage 1 with a fuelpak. I am using the map they recommended with my components. 22.5K so far and no pinging or pre-ignition. I also use 87 almost exclusively. Have used some higher octane by accident, order of octane was different at a station I visited on a trip, and on purpose to see if there was any performance or efficiency gain. Actually some loss of efficiency and no performance change.
I have owned high compression vehicles that required higher octane. A 69 Vette with 11:1 and Porsche with 12:1. I know what pinging and pre-ignition sounds like and how to "time" it.
My 103 is stock inside and will stay that way. If in the future it needs an increase in octane to run correctly, then I will do it. In the meantime, 87 works just fine.
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Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,710
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From: Spokane, WA.
Ping ping ping
Also, a incorrect tune/ bad tune will open the door for ping, been there, and my week trip through Oregon and northern Calif, this August ( in warm temps 90-100 at times) was not really as nice as it could have been with my engine pinging from:
A bad tune And Bad fuel in CA, it sucked. Bike died on me in the O'Reilly auto parts parking lot as i was going for some Lucas fuel treatment in Crescent City, CA. Was at Redwood HD, though they could fix as I had my SEProRace Tuner with me, they said they would need to start from scratch and build a map and then it would be a tune at sea level and I live at 2100 ft, so time and location and $.... Waited until I got back home.
When I got back from my trip, I went to stealer, they did a Vtune on the SE pro race tuner, they said good to go.....
However, it would still ping.
I hope my PowerVision and TW222 cams allow for a non ping ride.
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Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,710
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From: Spokane, WA.
Right on
I did, just this morning. Had a SE255 and CATless pipes put in at 5000 miles by dealer, along with a DynoTune. Pinged ever since. When I mentioned it to the service manager his response was "oh they all do that". At that point I decided the dealer wasn't going to be much help.
I purchased the cables and software and started reading the SEPST sticky on this forum. When I picked up my bike, I asked if they did a real tune or just put in a canned map. He said they tuned it.
I pulled up the map that they used, and the canned map for my setup. The VE tables had been altered (probably smart-tuned), but the AFR and timing tables were exactly the same as the canned map.
I made two new AFR tables based on recommenedations from a couple of forum users. One was conservative and removed most of the pinging. The 2nd removed ALL of the pinging and all of the decel popping. My pipes are now black and dry instead of white as a bone (not excessively black), but ran as good as it always has. I made no mods to the timing table whatsoever. In addition, I pulled a fairly steep hill in 6th at about 60 MPH and it pulled strong with no pinging. Something I wouldn't have even thought about previously. I plan to lean out some areas on this map and tweak some more.
Below is the map I ran all day today with no pinging or popping.
I purchased the cables and software and started reading the SEPST sticky on this forum. When I picked up my bike, I asked if they did a real tune or just put in a canned map. He said they tuned it.
I pulled up the map that they used, and the canned map for my setup. The VE tables had been altered (probably smart-tuned), but the AFR and timing tables were exactly the same as the canned map.
I made two new AFR tables based on recommenedations from a couple of forum users. One was conservative and removed most of the pinging. The 2nd removed ALL of the pinging and all of the decel popping. My pipes are now black and dry instead of white as a bone (not excessively black), but ran as good as it always has. I made no mods to the timing table whatsoever. In addition, I pulled a fairly steep hill in 6th at about 60 MPH and it pulled strong with no pinging. Something I wouldn't have even thought about previously. I plan to lean out some areas on this map and tweak some more.
Below is the map I ran all day today with no pinging or popping.
Stage III
Joined: Oct 2012
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From: Lakewood wa
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From: People's Republic of Boulder Colorado
I may be wrong, but I thought that in the US if a new vehicle didn't run right in stock form, then the company that built it had to either make it do so for free or buy it back.
Am I mistaken?
Am I mistaken?
