FlHTCU 07 pinging problems
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Well both epa and hdmoco are at fault.
epa because it is government and is just trying to protect us from emissions, global warming and all that (we still are getting the warming depending on whom you believe)
Epa is mandating that these engines run lean and advanced timing.
However, an aircooled engine can not handle the sustained heat and etc that these conditions cause.
so Harley is at fault for not acting on this sooner by going to a liquid cooled engine like the metrics did15 years ago (approx).
They put it in the vrod 4-5 years ago. How much more real world testing do they have to do before they put in most all models?
Well persoanlly I think they've about reachedthe limits an aircool can handle.
I think next year will see the addition of a secondary air injection valve to help with emissions and heat (like an egr on a car but located differently).
But when new epa regs come out in 2010, I would almost bet we see a liquid cooled engine in most all harleys.
New problems yes, but more tuning capabilities for us. With in reason a cooler running engine (combustion process) will give rise to better torque and hp.
epa because it is government and is just trying to protect us from emissions, global warming and all that (we still are getting the warming depending on whom you believe)
Epa is mandating that these engines run lean and advanced timing.
However, an aircooled engine can not handle the sustained heat and etc that these conditions cause.
so Harley is at fault for not acting on this sooner by going to a liquid cooled engine like the metrics did15 years ago (approx).
They put it in the vrod 4-5 years ago. How much more real world testing do they have to do before they put in most all models?
Well persoanlly I think they've about reachedthe limits an aircool can handle.
I think next year will see the addition of a secondary air injection valve to help with emissions and heat (like an egr on a car but located differently).
But when new epa regs come out in 2010, I would almost bet we see a liquid cooled engine in most all harleys.
New problems yes, but more tuning capabilities for us. With in reason a cooler running engine (combustion process) will give rise to better torque and hp.
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ORIGINAL: choochoo
Well both epa and hdmoco are at fault.
epa because it is government and is just trying to protect us from emissions, global warming and all that (we still are getting the warming depending on whom you believe)
Epa is mandating that these engines run lean and advanced timing.
However, an aircooled engine can not handle the sustained heat and etc that these conditions cause.
so Harley is at fault for not acting on this sooner by going to a liquid cooled engine like the metrics did15 years ago (approx).
They put it in the vrod 4-5 years ago. How much more real world testing do they have to do before they put in most all models?
Well persoanlly I think they've about reachedthe limits an aircool can handle.
I think next year will see the addition of a secondary air injection valve to help with emissions and heat (like an egr on a car but located differently).
But when new epa regs come out in 2010, I would almost bet we see a liquid cooled engine in most all harleys.
New problems yes, but more tuning capabilities for us. With in reason a cooler running engine (combustion process) will give rise to better torque and hp.
Well both epa and hdmoco are at fault.
epa because it is government and is just trying to protect us from emissions, global warming and all that (we still are getting the warming depending on whom you believe)
Epa is mandating that these engines run lean and advanced timing.
However, an aircooled engine can not handle the sustained heat and etc that these conditions cause.
so Harley is at fault for not acting on this sooner by going to a liquid cooled engine like the metrics did15 years ago (approx).
They put it in the vrod 4-5 years ago. How much more real world testing do they have to do before they put in most all models?
Well persoanlly I think they've about reachedthe limits an aircool can handle.
I think next year will see the addition of a secondary air injection valve to help with emissions and heat (like an egr on a car but located differently).
But when new epa regs come out in 2010, I would almost bet we see a liquid cooled engine in most all harleys.
New problems yes, but more tuning capabilities for us. With in reason a cooler running engine (combustion process) will give rise to better torque and hp.
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It's pretty bad that the moco with record profits (so I hear) can't build the bikes right in the first place.
Leave it up to us and aftermarket to come up with fixes for their problems.
Daddy used to say: It's easier and cheaper to do it right the first time than do it all over again.
MOCO should of had a liquid cooled engine in the baggers 2 or 3 years ago.
Far as I'm concerned they are pi$$ing in the wind trying to make an air cooled motor perform properly with the EPA regs as they are.
And if HD goes to closed loop on all models, they (S/E) and other aftermarkets will devise the products to accompany it.
Not so sure I want to buy new again warranty or not. Prices are getting more than what I can afford to pay.
Leave it up to us and aftermarket to come up with fixes for their problems.
Daddy used to say: It's easier and cheaper to do it right the first time than do it all over again.
MOCO should of had a liquid cooled engine in the baggers 2 or 3 years ago.
Far as I'm concerned they are pi$$ing in the wind trying to make an air cooled motor perform properly with the EPA regs as they are.
And if HD goes to closed loop on all models, they (S/E) and other aftermarkets will devise the products to accompany it.
Not so sure I want to buy new again warranty or not. Prices are getting more than what I can afford to pay.
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ORIGINAL: choochoo
It's pretty bad that the moco with record profits (so I hear) can't build the bikes right in the first place.
Leave it up to us and aftermarket to come up with fixes for their problems.
Daddy used to say: It's easier and cheaper to do it right the first time than do it all over again.
MOCO should of had a liquid cooled engine in the baggers 2 or 3 years ago.
Far as I'm concerned they are pi$$ing in the wind trying to make an air cooled motor perform properly with the EPA regs as they are.
And if HD goes to closed loop on all models, they (S/E) and other aftermarkets will devise the products to accompany it.
Not so sure I want to buy new again warranty or not. Prices are getting more than what I can afford to pay.
It's pretty bad that the moco with record profits (so I hear) can't build the bikes right in the first place.
Leave it up to us and aftermarket to come up with fixes for their problems.
Daddy used to say: It's easier and cheaper to do it right the first time than do it all over again.
MOCO should of had a liquid cooled engine in the baggers 2 or 3 years ago.
Far as I'm concerned they are pi$$ing in the wind trying to make an air cooled motor perform properly with the EPA regs as they are.
And if HD goes to closed loop on all models, they (S/E) and other aftermarkets will devise the products to accompany it.
Not so sure I want to buy new again warranty or not. Prices are getting more than what I can afford to pay.
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Wow...Your story sounds just like mine.I havent bought a new HD in 23 yrs.I went to the same dealer and picked up a 07 Ultra.Bottom line is if I would have ridden it before I signed the check I never would of bought it.Puts me on a bummer everytime I ride it.Took it back to the dealer twice..They told me I was hearing things or at least something else!Right..Found another dealer with a Dyno admitting theyve had some issues with pinging.Im very disapointed.Im at 3400 ping filled miles Got it 5 weeks ago...Yep if they copped to this they wouldnt be sellin any bikes.I definetly wouldnt have bought one if I had a taste in advance.So I guess Ill see what the dyno guy says.Any news on yours?...Good Luck
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Well for the most part they are made pretty well.
But when a problem appears, I wish they would just admit to it
when they (dealer / HDMOCO) hear it.
And then take all necessary steps needed to correct the issue.
I for one would be a lot happier.
But when a problem appears, I wish they would just admit to it
when they (dealer / HDMOCO) hear it.
And then take all necessary steps needed to correct the issue.
I for one would be a lot happier.
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The bikes I think are made good, very rarely do you read of major breakdowns, and just visit any other forum and its the same on those too. There is not a single vehicle made by man that doesn't have a few bugs or a few bad apples its the nature of things. The new closed loop system will come epa compliant, but ive heard you will able to buy tuning kits to reset it. Ive read more on the thundermax system and if anyone thinks those are plug and play best read the efi map section on vtwin forum, Those systems are tricky to get set up right. start at page 12 or so, before that is the older tmax system that has already been abandoned for the new smaller gen II model. Interesting reading.
ORIGINAL: choochoo
It's pretty bad that the moco with record profits (so I hear) can't build the bikes right in the first place.
Leave it up to us and aftermarket to come up with fixes for their problems.
Daddy used to say: It's easier and cheaper to do it right the first time than do it all over again.
MOCO should of had a liquid cooled engine in the baggers 2 or 3 years ago.
Far as I'm concerned they are pi$$ing in the wind trying to make an air cooled motor perform properly with the EPA regs as they are.
And if HD goes to closed loop on all models, they (S/E) and other aftermarkets will devise the products to accompany it.
Not so sure I want to buy new again warranty or not. Prices are getting more than what I can afford to pay.
It's pretty bad that the moco with record profits (so I hear) can't build the bikes right in the first place.
Leave it up to us and aftermarket to come up with fixes for their problems.
Daddy used to say: It's easier and cheaper to do it right the first time than do it all over again.
MOCO should of had a liquid cooled engine in the baggers 2 or 3 years ago.
Far as I'm concerned they are pi$$ing in the wind trying to make an air cooled motor perform properly with the EPA regs as they are.
And if HD goes to closed loop on all models, they (S/E) and other aftermarkets will devise the products to accompany it.
Not so sure I want to buy new again warranty or not. Prices are getting more than what I can afford to pay.
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RE: FlHTCU 07 pinging problems
and to think , I was getting excited about getting my bike out again,,,,,
all this reminds me of my disapointments when I put it away!!
how about Ice picks????????
if I jam one in each ear , would I still hear ping,zing , clank clonk, bink bonk? clatter splatter?
all this reminds me of my disapointments when I put it away!!
how about Ice picks????????
if I jam one in each ear , would I still hear ping,zing , clank clonk, bink bonk? clatter splatter?
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well ,Iwent for a ride a couple weeks ago with the "service manager" of course it was 40deg that day . a few days later we had 70deg but after trying to get over 50 mph on the LongIsland Expressway with everybody and thier` Grandmother on the road ,I decided to bite the bullet and go for the Race Tuner a Set of Bassanni Head Pipes and Mufflers (of which the mufflers that were shipped were wrong) and a Screaming eagle Stage 1 intake. If that doesnt work ....... there is a real deep hole in the Atlantic. I'm sure Mr Jones would love too have a new Ultra to impress the Mermaids with [:@]Anyway I should have the right mufflers this week and I'm hoping to burn up some pavement next weekend........So stay Tuned for another episode of "AS THE STOMACHE TURNS"
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Yeah probably would, but only if they are long enough to reach clear through from ear to ear.!
ORIGINAL: electaRICK
and to think , I was getting excited about getting my bike out again,,,,,
all this reminds me of my disapointments when I put it away!!
how about Ice picks????????
if I jam one in each ear , would I still hear ping,zing , clank clonk, bink bonk? clatter splatter?
and to think , I was getting excited about getting my bike out again,,,,,
all this reminds me of my disapointments when I put it away!!
how about Ice picks????????
if I jam one in each ear , would I still hear ping,zing , clank clonk, bink bonk? clatter splatter?
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