and you bought it hook line and sinker??
its meaningless tosh! verbal diarrhoea, and highly debatable ...with no quantifiable effect mentioned what so dickie bird.

typical pushrod vs typical pushrod @ typical street Harley = Power loss = 0 hp

moving on

 

No the story is true...! Gordon61....hmmm your ability to read, decipher & understand the internal workings of a V twin motor are remedial at best huh? Let alone understanding anything that article said - "bought it hook line and sinker" really? If that makes a meat whistle like you feel good then so be it - but basically it just punctuates your inability to understand thus showing the rest of us your lack of intellect....... lol, what a nut pump & I believe pot luck & crossed fingers sums you up to a T

 

If you say so bub

 

There can be several reason why the lift we are getting at the valve doesn't match advertised lift. Measuring lifter or cam lift compared to valve lift on a HD engine will show you this is true. Talking with cam manufacturers. They will state they are responsible for cam lift. Not valve opening. They get their numbers by math with rocker and do not take valve train geometry into consideration.

I'm I concerned about the loss of lift? I'm not worried about it or the cause on a street engine. Geometry, Hyd lifters, and pushrods deflection/ compression all play along. Just as much as chain drive can cause other advertise numbers to be off. Like TDC lift.

I'm sure others that blue print engines and measure this kind of stuff see this as well. Hell, look at the fitment of some of these pinion sprockets. I have never had to screw jack one on or had to use a puller to remove one. Pinion gears? Different story.

 

I've been doing some research into a potential engine build this winter and came across this somewhat older thread while I was investigating the different pushrods (solid/adjustable/quickie/EZinstall, etc) available. From my perspective, the above comments sound like sour grapes to me. Vendors repackage other manufactures products all the time. Seems to me Fuel Moto made a smart business decision. What is the valve add? Well Fuel Moto did the testing with their packages, provides technical support, has a pushrod install video on YouTube, and also deals with the warranty issues, since it says right on their website these pushrods have a lifetime warranty. That's a considerable amount of "value add" in my book.


If there is value added, which I believe Fuel Moto has, why not put your name on it and resell it?
Do you really think all those tools that Snap-on and Matco sell are designed and manufactured by them?
Since we are talking HD here, how about these Screamin' Eagle products?
Screamin' Eagle Push Rod Tube Installation and removal tool, HD Part Number: 94086-09 --> JIms USA #917
Screamin' Eagle Rocker Box Bolt Ratcheting Wrench, HD Part Number: 94057-09 --> Kastar #6529


What about their E-Series exhaust? Didn't they work with Kerry Bryant on the design?


And I gave a couple of examples above to refute your statement.

 

I had forgotten about this thread; it was a fun one so thanks to LQQT_OUT for resurrecting it although Dave will be disappointed.

I should make a point that I should have made back in the now resurrected thread. For 99.9% of the motors built by or for forum members, the SE Quick Tapered adjustable push rods are more than adequate. The busted jam nut issue appears to have been resolved; old news. BTW, I experienced a busted nut when the SE Quick Tapered pushrods were first introduced. Half of the nut dropped through onto a lifter, bounced around and dislodged the retainer clip which was eaten by the oil pump; instant loss of oil pressure and terrible racket. Fortunately, this occured just as I was turning a corner after a 400 mile Saturday ride, homestead in sight so I shut down the motor and coasted into the drive way limiting the damage to the oil pump and cam plate. Also note that the SB pushrod instructions call for red Loctite which makes one wonder if SB is also concerned about jam nuts coming loose. How would you like to adjust a set of those on the side of the road?

If one is truly as concerned with pushrod flex, which IMHO, is not an important consideration for 99.9% of these forum builds, one should have SB make a set of non-adjustables; flex problem solved and no PITA adjusting. I just finished a 98" motor, 115 square numbers and had a set of SB sitting on the shelf but ordered a set of the SE pushrods, the kit with tubes, clips and o-rings instead of using the SB. So, that speaks to where I come down on this issue.

I still am of the opinion that unless one is competing in events where tenths or hundredths of a second determines a winner or the wining a 24 hour endurance race or the Baja relies on the strength of every individual part of the motor to meet the demands of the event, pushrod flex is not a consideration. After all, how many of these forum built motors regularly see more than 6000rpms. To repeat a worn phrase, it's not rocket science. So, just to be clear, I am not debating and probably shouldn't have engaged in debate previously as it is truly a waste of time on this forum. Which is probably why someone as HD savvy as Steve Cole dropped out of the thread. I will rely on Steve, Scott or Kirby on any HD subject; we can all learn a lot from those three.

As for FM and the E-Series exhaust, not sure that is a fair example to refute Steve Cole's comment on re-branding.. IIRC, this design was used in the now defunct White Brothers E-Series exhaust, so while it may have been tweaked a bit by FM and Bryant, I am not sure that it is anything new; kind of subjective IMHO and a toss up on the re-branding issue. I don't have an issue with re-branding but let's call it what it is; give it a name.

 

The difference is FM owns the intellectual property for E-Series, and my production parner Kerry Bryant is on the original White Brothers patent.... as the inventor.

 

I will stand by my statement. FM manufactures nothing. Their repopped E series. You think they are manufacturing that in house? Or do you think they are paying someone like Rush or VH to manufacture it for them? Ooooooooooooooh look. It is oval instead of round. Wasn't this brought back to the industry after Casey Wegner did some head pipes with Super Trapp universal mufflers? I believe so.

As far as push rods go. I have my name on Smith Brothers push rods. I order 9-10 sets of them at a time. They usually make them when I order them. They have to laser etch exhaust and intake on them any way. So, to put whatever else on there. It is free of charge. I advertise and sell them as Smith Brothers push rods w/ my shop name on them. Value added? I don't see where or how. I have never had a problem with written directions, besides. It is push rod. Top zero lash, extend so many flats per thread pitch or bottom zero lash and collapse so many flats per thread pitch. If you need a video. Well.........

As for as the comparison between others? I have to agree with others that SE PR's will satisfy the need of most, but have you priced them lately compare to say. What FM sells SB's for? I can get them cheaper than that in bulk and I don't have to pay for packaging. Besides, I do install them in 700 plus lift cam that are reving over 7200.

 

We manufacture our E-Series systems and an assortment of other components at our CA facility under partnership with Kerry Bryant. It's not Rush, not V&H, or otherwise; FM & K Bryant have been building products together since 2009. We also warehouse and distribute product from this location.
As far as pushrods we've always been transparent on who build ours, Smith Brothers supplies a wide range of companies including FM... they build pushrods for people, that's what they do.

 

My only experience with your pipe is at the dealer show in Cinci. You were busy telling people it is was high end stainless and I was busy sticking magnets to it.