EVO All Evo Model Discussion

oil pump help please

Old May 29, 2018 | 03:00 PM
  #1  
Dazzauk's Avatar
Dazzauk
Thread Starter
|
Tourer
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 327
Likes: 2
From: Southampton U.K
Default oil pump help please

Hey guys, hope your all well,

I need some help please.. bike in question is a 1996 dyna wide glide (fxdwg).

The bike started throwing me a low oil pressure light only when hot, so me and my dad have removed the oil pump, to find some scoring inside from the gears. Also lots of metal flake when the oil was drained, more so in the oil filter . im guessing this is a result of the scoring in the oil pump.?

So help i need is as follows:

1. Just some idea of why oil pump gears have scored the oil pump? Is it just wear / what part is it that wears causing this? Will the rest of the engine be ok?

2. Would you agree that i should replace the oil pump shaft also? The one that goes inside the nose cone underneath the cam?

3. Is there a way to remove the oil pump drive shaft without removing the engine? The gearbox is preventing it just sliding out..

4. The oil pump drive shaft is slotted through a bushing inside the nose cone, this does not look replaceable, would this be worn? not sure what material its made from?

If anyone has any experience changing this out or any helpful insight would be greatly appreciated, i don't have the money to put it in to a shop so i have to take my time and fix this myself ..

P.S finding a oil pump in the uk is proving difficult anyone help her also?

Thanks

Daz




 

Last edited by Dazzauk; May 29, 2018 at 03:05 PM.
Reply
Old May 29, 2018 | 03:20 PM
  #2  
Kingglide549's Avatar
Kingglide549
Banned
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 4,576
Likes: 978
From: Viet Vet, crossroads
Default

To get the long shaft out you have to create more space by removing the xmsn or engine
Whichever you prefer.
Your plastic breather gear, in my opinion, should be tossed for a real one.
and it looks like most your pump is shot.
Are the metal chips steel or aluminum? (magnet)
Has the rocker boxes been off lately?
 
Reply
Old May 29, 2018 | 03:34 PM
  #3  
texashillcountry's Avatar
texashillcountry
Dirt don't hurt
Veteran: Navy
15 Year Member
Top Answer: 1
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 21,065
Likes: 4,561
From: Haslet Texas
Default

Not sure if this helps but you can remove the shaft with the engine in place on a '94 FXSTC (Softail Custom).
The shaft is held in place by a gear that rides on the pinion shaft.
That gear in held in place by a circlip.
Simply remove the circlip, slide the gear off, then you can remove the oil pump shaft.

If you can't find a Harley pump can you find an S&S pump??
 
Reply
Old May 29, 2018 | 03:35 PM
  #4  
Dazzauk's Avatar
Dazzauk
Thread Starter
|
Tourer
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 327
Likes: 2
From: Southampton U.K
Default

Originally Posted by Kingglide549
To get the long shaft out you have to create more space by removing the xmsn or engine
Whichever you prefer.
Your plastic breather gear, in my opinion, should be tossed for a real one.
and it looks like most your pump is shot.
Are the metal chips steel or aluminum? (magnet)
Has the rocker boxes been off lately?
thanks for the reply kingglide,

what is xmsn?

Last year I put it into a shop and it had new valve stem oil seals and some manual decompressors fitted?

Metal chips look ally but I haven’t tried a magnet on them.

I dont know anything thing about the breather gear or replacing it for a metal one? The one in there is original I believe.

Daz
 
Reply
Old May 29, 2018 | 03:45 PM
  #5  
Dazzauk's Avatar
Dazzauk
Thread Starter
|
Tourer
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 327
Likes: 2
From: Southampton U.K
Default

Originally Posted by texashillcountry
Not sure if this helps but you can remove the shaft with the engine in place on a '94 FXSTC (Softail Custom).
The shaft is held in place by a gear that rides on the pinion shaft.
That gear in held in place by a circlip.
Simply remove the circlip, slide the gear off, then you can remove the oil pump shaft.

If you can't find a Harley pump can you find an S&S pump??
hey texashill,

i have remover the circlip and the heat and the dam thing hits the gearbox with about 2 inches left to slide out. So deffo need to move engine or gearbox lol.

Harley don’t make the oil pump anymore so will deffo have to be aftermarket. Was hoping somebody here could recommend me one.

Daz
 
Reply
Old May 29, 2018 | 03:45 PM
  #6  
Dr.Hess's Avatar
Dr.Hess
Seasoned HDF Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 8,201
Likes: 3,089
From: NW AR
Default

Pull the cam and inspect the inner bearing and lifters. Looks to me like something went through.
 
Reply
Old May 29, 2018 | 03:53 PM
  #7  
Yankee Dog's Avatar
Yankee Dog
Grand HDF Member
Veteran: Navy
15 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,727
Likes: 3,073
From: Brighton, MI
Default

Originally Posted by Dr.Hess
Pull the cam and inspect the inner bearing and lifters. Looks to me like something went through.
I agree, I think the metal came from someplace else and showed up in the oil pump. I don't think the pump is the cause of the metal bits. Need to do more investigating. Like Dr, Hess mentioned, a good starting point is cam bearing and lifters. YD
 
Reply
Old May 29, 2018 | 03:59 PM
  #8  
Dazzauk's Avatar
Dazzauk
Thread Starter
|
Tourer
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 327
Likes: 2
From: Southampton U.K
Default

Is it possible the shop which did the valve stem oil seals and the manual de-compressors dropped something?

A few years back the bike also had a top end rebuild because i believe a circlip or something fell of one of the gudgen pins, after the rebuild the bike did very very little miles and then sat for the best part of 5 years until it came to me, and i too have done limited miles trying to get it back to full health..
 
Reply
HD Forum Stories

The Best of Harley-Davidson for Lifelong Riders

story-0

7 Times Harley-Davidson Chucked Tradition Out the Window

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

7 Surprising Harley-Davidson Products that Are Not Motorcycles

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

8 Best Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-3

10 Worst Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

Killer Custom's Jail Break Is The Breakout That Refused to Blend In

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Crazy Bunderbike Build Looks Amazing, But Is It Impossible to Ride?

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Harley-Davidson Reveals Super Cool Cafe Racer Concept

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Engraved Rebellion: Inside Bundnerbike's Glam Rock II

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

10 Motorcycles You Should Never Buy

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

10 Things Harley-Davidson Needs to Fix in 2026

 Verdad Gallardo
Old May 29, 2018 | 04:30 PM
  #9  
Kingglide549's Avatar
Kingglide549
Banned
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 4,576
Likes: 978
From: Viet Vet, crossroads
Default

First things first -determine the metal ferrous or not.
XMSN - is an abbreviation for transmission.
Once you know what metal it is, (AL or steel) you will be more ready to find the problem.
Did they put a bigger cam in at the shop?
 
Reply
Old May 29, 2018 | 05:00 PM
  #10  
Dazzauk's Avatar
Dazzauk
Thread Starter
|
Tourer
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 327
Likes: 2
From: Southampton U.K
Default

Originally Posted by Kingglide549
First things first -determine the metal ferrous or not.
XMSN - is an abbreviation for transmission.
Once you know what metal it is, (AL or steel) you will be more ready to find the problem.
Did they put a bigger cam in at the shop?
spoke to my dad who said the metal was definitely aluminium. He put a magnet on it to test.

Big cam was installed about 20 years ago. The shop only did the valave stem oil seals and decompressors.

Daz
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:32 PM.

story-0
7 Times Harley-Davidson Chucked Tradition Out the Window

Slideshow: Harley-Davidson built its reputation on nostalgia, but every so often, the company took a hard left turn into the future.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-20 11:18:19


VIEW MORE
story-1
7 Surprising Harley-Davidson Products that Are Not Motorcycles

Slideshow: The bar-and-shield logo shows up on far more than motorcycles, some of the company's most unexpected products have nothing to do with riding.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-29 16:50:35


VIEW MORE
story-2
8 Best Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

Slideshow: Not every Harley gets it right, but these are the ones that genuinely earned their reputation.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-15 14:23:21


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Worst Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

Slideshow: From the troubled AMF years to modern misfires, these bikes earned reputations for reliability issues, questionable engineering, or disappointing performance.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-01 20:01:09


VIEW MORE
story-4
Killer Custom's Jail Break Is The Breakout That Refused to Blend In

Slideshow: Killer Custom's "Jail Breaker" build focuses more on stance and visual aggression than mechanical overhaul.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-18 19:20:32


VIEW MORE
story-5
Crazy Bunderbike Build Looks Amazing, But Is It Impossible to Ride?

Slideshow: The Swiss custom shop has taken a Harley Softail and stretched it into something so long and low that it looks closer to a rolling sculpture than a conventional motorcycle.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-07 16:15:30


VIEW MORE
story-6
Harley-Davidson Reveals Super Cool Cafe Racer Concept

Slideshow: Harley-Davidson's new RMCR concept revives the café racer formula with modern hardware-and it may be exactly the reset the company needs.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-04 12:23:37


VIEW MORE
story-7
Engraved Rebellion: Inside Bundnerbike's Glam Rock II

Slideshow: A standard cruiser becomes an intricate metal canvas in the hands of a Swiss custom house known for pushing Harley-Davidson platforms far beyond their factory brief.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-02-24 18:19:44


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Motorcycles You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There is no shortage of great motorcycles to buy, but we would avoid these ten.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-02-19 14:50:51


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Things Harley-Davidson Needs to Fix in 2026

Slideshow: Harley-Davidson's challenges aren't abstract; they show up in dropping shipments, shrinking dealer traffic, and strategic decisions that aren't yet translating into growth.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-13 18:33:17


VIEW MORE