Total complete brake failure! Read!!!
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You either need to be a man and admit when you are wrong, not a san fran kinda man, or keep your **** sht straight. You want to keep doing this?
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This.
ABS has nothing to do with the hydraulics of your brakes. It's nothing but a system that applies and controls braking more finely and consistently than a person can. If it fails 100%, you're left with brakes as they would be if you never had ABS.
Pedal all the way to the floor? I'd be asking where all of the brake fluid went? Moisture content? Water does not compress, so I'm assuming that they're saying that above a certain water content, the brake system's seals fail.
ABS has nothing to do with the hydraulics of your brakes. It's nothing but a system that applies and controls braking more finely and consistently than a person can. If it fails 100%, you're left with brakes as they would be if you never had ABS.
Pedal all the way to the floor? I'd be asking where all of the brake fluid went? Moisture content? Water does not compress, so I'm assuming that they're saying that above a certain water content, the brake system's seals fail.
Last edited by MRFREEZE57; Oct 22, 2019 at 11:04 PM.
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Seriously? No one is this clueless, are they? 
Harley went to DOT4 when they introduced ABS because it was the latest technology that supported ABS (DOT3 was antiquated and DOT5 was incompatible with ABS so they had to go backwards).
DOT5 actually lasts longer than DOT4 (particularly in high humidity environments) which is one reason HD went to DOT5 from DOT3 (the predecessor to DOT4) when it came out and they weren't ABS.
Don't really know what is more humorous, your continuing to post BS or your continuing to attack others who point it out.
Little fella, you are a continuing source of entertainment (even if it's mixed with your version of bad information).
Harley went to DOT4 when they introduced ABS because it was the latest technology that supported ABS (DOT3 was antiquated and DOT5 was incompatible with ABS so they had to go backwards).
DOT5 actually lasts longer than DOT4 (particularly in high humidity environments) which is one reason HD went to DOT5 from DOT3 (the predecessor to DOT4) when it came out and they weren't ABS.
Don't really know what is more humorous, your continuing to post BS or your continuing to attack others who point it out.
Little fella, you are a continuing source of entertainment (even if it's mixed with your version of bad information).
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What was the thickness on the pads? I rebuilt front cylinder once. Still not perfect. Kept trying to find bubbles. Replaced pads got better. Replaced many pads, why that one was funny dunno. Worn worse before. I think cylinder was funny, and compounded.
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ABS is not new to motorcycles. I know, it wasn't on the EVO bikes, but goddamn...
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I’m one who has been preaching the orthodoxy of the every two year fluid replacement because of a fluid related failure I experienced on my last bike but I bought that bike used and don’t know how long the fluid had been in there or how many times the system had been opened before I bought it. I’ve owned my current bike since I bought it brand new 26 months and 35k miles ago. The system has never been opened. The caps have never been removed from the master cylinders and the only brake work that’s been done is pad replacement. The brakes still function like new. I’m starting to get paranoid about replacing the fluid but I kind of hate to mess with it. I had the front caliper off just yesterday for pad replacement and there were no signs of corrosion. The pistons were free and other than a little road grime it looks just like brand new. I’m tempted to just leave it alone and keep running it. Seems to me it should give me some warning signs if my fluid is going bad. Just looking through the windows in the master cylinder it looks nice and clear. IMO there is absolutely zero chance of me having a sudden and complete brake failure because of two year old brake fluid. As for the ABS, mine works just fine and if anything was wrong with it the warning light would let me know. IMO the chances of me having a sudden and complete brake failure because of an ABS problem are zero. Not even worth thinking about. I’ve been following this thread with great interest and now I’m calling BS.
Last edited by blackxpress; Oct 23, 2019 at 05:38 AM.
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We have been discussing this issue here for 10 years. Yes, when HD ABS fails due to hardware failures when the brake fluid has not been serviced properly, it fails UNSAFE. Meaning you have no brakes at all! This is a recurring problem that has caused many deaths and has been repeatedly reported to NHTSA. HD won't admit to these issues. This is because if they admitted fault, they would be responsible for all those who have had failures. Don't worry though, yours won't have this problem. You will be fine.
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Im one who has been preaching the orthodoxy of the every two year fluid replacement because of a fluid related failure I experienced on my last bike
Ive owned my current bike since I bought it brand new 26 months and 35k miles ago. The system has never been opened. The caps have never been removed from the master cylinders and the only brake work thats been done is pad replacement.
Ive owned my current bike since I bought it brand new 26 months and 35k miles ago. The system has never been opened. The caps have never been removed from the master cylinders and the only brake work thats been done is pad replacement.
show me 'many'. while I agree that the goal should be 'zero', I don't think any manufacturer can actually claim that.