Power Vision Information Thread
Road Warrior
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From: Atlanta, GA
iclick, sorry if I missed the answer earlier in the thread, but a couple questions. Now that you had some time to experiment with the PV, is there a feature that enables you to data log and determine exact VE numbers for your bike - Similar to TTS Data Master and vtune?
Also are you able to record data, monitor for front and rear cylinder knock retard and develop spark timing tables based on your specific setup? I'm trying to understand to what extent basemaps can be revised or developed from scratch, without a dyno.
Just for full disclosure, iclick already knows this, I am a new user to TTS, but following the PV with high interest. As I mentined at some point earlier, I think PV is going to mature into a stellar product very quickly.
Also are you able to record data, monitor for front and rear cylinder knock retard and develop spark timing tables based on your specific setup? I'm trying to understand to what extent basemaps can be revised or developed from scratch, without a dyno.
Just for full disclosure, iclick already knows this, I am a new user to TTS, but following the PV with high interest. As I mentined at some point earlier, I think PV is going to mature into a stellar product very quickly.
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From: Baton Rouge, LA
iclick, sorry if I missed the answer earlier in the thread, but a couple questions. Now that you had some time to experiment with the PV, is there a feature that enables you to data log and determine exact VE numbers for your bike - Similar to TTS Data Master and vtune?
Also are you able to record data, monitor for front and rear cylinder knock retard and develop spark timing tables based on your specific setup? I'm trying to understand to what extent basemaps can be revised or developed from scratch, without a dyno.
Just for full disclosure, iclick already knows this, I am a new user to TTS, but following the PV with high interest. As I mentined at some point earlier, I think PV is going to mature into a stellar product very quickly.
Tourer
Joined: Oct 2006
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From: Victoria BC Canada
Pretty square guide up front on the first page, (thanks). I bought my PV a couple weeks ago when I knew the ECM was going to need flashed. It was either pay the dealer $189.00 for a one time flash and not know what the settings are or were, or buy the PV and keep my factory settings and know what the new settings were flashed to.
ECU setting but could actually see them. I was thinking this way you could compare a bike with a $$ dealer download and the default from the factory flash.
Did this feature come to pass ?
Outstanding HDF Member
Joined: Aug 2009
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From: Puyallup Wa.
I have Both TTS and PV and dont know how to use either well but have played more with the TTS. I am ready to do cams this weekend. I got the PV because of its awesome support system I just want my bike to run......
I am thinking there is no reason I could not make a exact map from PV manually in TTS and get the VEs tuned in closer in the PV. I expect Fuel motos map they gave me to be good.
The lap top runs are a big turn off for me I am betting on PV and getting better in the future.
I am not sure what all is in line for the TTS they are talking about getting some exact number based on your bike idling and then getting another number on a dyno run. Like PV waiting for updates for TTS.
With both tuners on hand I feel I have it covered. Ha ha ha.
I am thinking there is no reason I could not make a exact map from PV manually in TTS and get the VEs tuned in closer in the PV. I expect Fuel motos map they gave me to be good.
The lap top runs are a big turn off for me I am betting on PV and getting better in the future.
I am not sure what all is in line for the TTS they are talking about getting some exact number based on your bike idling and then getting another number on a dyno run. Like PV waiting for updates for TTS.
With both tuners on hand I feel I have it covered. Ha ha ha.
Road Captain
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: Alberta Canada
What makes this more confusing is that historically I've always thought about pressure in PSI, and more currently throttle input as TP rather than KPA. The agony and confusion is extended when they construct the VE tables as RPM-TP and Spark Advance as RPM-KPA.
That makes sense, as I'm at 25' above sea level as I type this. I assume that if I want to determine atmospheric pressure at a given moment I can just turn the ignition on without starting the bike and look at the MAP gauge. So, with my small air-temp gauge all I need is a humidistat and wind-velocity gauge and I'll have a mini weather station on-board. A weather radar would be a nice addition to the next PV firmware, too, BTW. I'll need to ask DJ about that, as they've been responsive to such requests in the past.
That makes sense, as I'm at 25' above sea level as I type this. I assume that if I want to determine atmospheric pressure at a given moment I can just turn the ignition on without starting the bike and look at the MAP gauge. So, with my small air-temp gauge all I need is a humidistat and wind-velocity gauge and I'll have a mini weather station on-board. A weather radar would be a nice addition to the next PV firmware, too, BTW. I'll need to ask DJ about that, as they've been responsive to such requests in the past.
Cruiser
Joined: Mar 2009
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From: Texas
iclick-
I read through the PV manual tonight and I have a question. As I understand the manual, Saving a copy of the stock tune does not marry the ECM to the PV, but Loading a copy of the stock tune to the tune manager on the PV does marry the two. If you save the stock tune and then flash the ECM with a custom tune or DJ canned tune it seems to me that these units could be used on more than one bike (as long as you do not load a copy of stock tune to the tune manager on the PV). Does the PV require you to load a copy of the stock tune to the tune manager prior to flashing the ECM with a custom or DJ tune? I do not plan on editing my stock tune, so why bother loading it to the tune manager if it is not required?
I read through the PV manual tonight and I have a question. As I understand the manual, Saving a copy of the stock tune does not marry the ECM to the PV, but Loading a copy of the stock tune to the tune manager on the PV does marry the two. If you save the stock tune and then flash the ECM with a custom tune or DJ canned tune it seems to me that these units could be used on more than one bike (as long as you do not load a copy of stock tune to the tune manager on the PV). Does the PV require you to load a copy of the stock tune to the tune manager prior to flashing the ECM with a custom or DJ tune? I do not plan on editing my stock tune, so why bother loading it to the tune manager if it is not required?
Road Master
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From: SoCal Desert
For viewing/editing your stock tune, you must first Load copy of stock, select a slot to store it (slots 1-6). Then you connect your PV to your computer, and running WinPV perform a Get Tune function which downloads the stock tune to the Active tune. From here you can save/modify/save the tune as a standard PV .pvt file.
-Dusty
Road Master
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From: SoCal Desert
-Dusty
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Road Master
Joined: May 2008
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From: SoCal Desert
iclick-
I read through the PV manual tonight and I have a question. As I understand the manual, Saving a copy of the stock tune does not marry the ECM to the PV, but Loading a copy of the stock tune to the tune manager on the PV does marry the two. If you save the stock tune and then flash the ECM with a custom tune or DJ canned tune it seems to me that these units could be used on more than one bike (as long as you do not load a copy of stock tune to the tune manager on the PV). Does the PV require you to load a copy of the stock tune to the tune manager prior to flashing the ECM with a custom or DJ tune? I do not plan on editing my stock tune, so why bother loading it to the tune manager if it is not required?
I read through the PV manual tonight and I have a question. As I understand the manual, Saving a copy of the stock tune does not marry the ECM to the PV, but Loading a copy of the stock tune to the tune manager on the PV does marry the two. If you save the stock tune and then flash the ECM with a custom tune or DJ canned tune it seems to me that these units could be used on more than one bike (as long as you do not load a copy of stock tune to the tune manager on the PV). Does the PV require you to load a copy of the stock tune to the tune manager prior to flashing the ECM with a custom or DJ tune? I do not plan on editing my stock tune, so why bother loading it to the tune manager if it is not required?
-Dusty
Last edited by Dustball; Mar 26, 2011 at 09:40 AM.
Cruiser
Joined: Mar 2009
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From: Texas
Thanks Dusty, that's what I figured. I just thought I would ask before I actually married the PV to my bike.