Power Vision Information Thread
Road Master
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 848
Likes: 30
From: CO
Hey Red
I use a K&N hi flow intake & filter and gutted my cat and American custom modded stock muffler.
And my VE's went up a little, Than I added two, 1/4 washers on a post just in front of the Mufflers to add Some back pressure. I can stay this MY low end has increase a lot and my Ve's drop a little .
Do you run disc's on the superstrapps if so You most likey are losing Flow through them,
How many discs you using?
So does this tune make your bike run like ****?
MY Power vision even tho my Ve's drop my Bike Pulls hard off the stop sign and runs way better than my FM tune or Stock one did.
I still get 47.5 MPG And I am running 13.8 open cruise area on my fuel map.
I use a K&N hi flow intake & filter and gutted my cat and American custom modded stock muffler.
And my VE's went up a little, Than I added two, 1/4 washers on a post just in front of the Mufflers to add Some back pressure. I can stay this MY low end has increase a lot and my Ve's drop a little .
Do you run disc's on the superstrapps if so You most likey are losing Flow through them,
How many discs you using?
So does this tune make your bike run like ****?
MY Power vision even tho my Ve's drop my Bike Pulls hard off the stop sign and runs way better than my FM tune or Stock one did.
I still get 47.5 MPG And I am running 13.8 open cruise area on my fuel map.
Cruiser
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 124
Likes: 0
From: Tremonton, Utah
Yeah I run closed end cap and currently 22 discs. I have great low end with the closed cap and doesn't feel like I'm missing anything up high either. Honestly, I can't tell much of a difference between the tunes I run, including when I run ones I've autotuned. Currently I'm just running the stock VEs with my tweaked, rich AFR table, and it's running just fine. I wish I had access to a dyno for real numbers though. I have had to continue to pull back timing to get rid of knocks though. I have noticed some decrease in power from that. The only thing that seems to really help knocking is running an all open loop map. Course it's over 100 degrees here these days, so I'm sure that's the main problem. I bet I won't have any knocks in the winter.
I am doing the same thing on the timing also.
I pulled some out , 4 times and I am pretty close. and fuel tablet was in the 14.3 cruise area
But I drop the 14.3 closed loop area too 13.8 and it runs cooler and little more power I feel it. Those timing tables where fine also in the cooler months But when summer hit The Knock count started getting hits, So I decided to try open loop tune. The other thing was I dropped Fuel mileage a little from,,51 to 47.5 but a big drop for losing about 10 degrees on Engine temps. I fell it was a good change overall. Bike runs very well with 91 octane no pings any more,cooler and still getting 47.5 mpg
I couldn't be happier with my lower VE's than stock
Power Vision a great tool I trust it 100 percent.
Last edited by Oilsmoke; Aug 15, 2014 at 07:38 AM.
Road Captain
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 569
Likes: 0
From: USA
I think what most don't consider/realize is that stock tables are not 100% perfect. There's no way the VE's can be set up for different regions of the country, high elevation, low elevation, states with crap gas, etc. So the stock VE's are somehwere close and the ECM is expected to compensate for differences. So, your lower VE's are just what the bike wants for YOUR set of variables. Thus, a great running bike. The stock VE tables are in no way an accurate tool to use as a comparison. For the most part it's gee wiz information that means nothing. If folks would just trust the system and stop second guessing things they would save themselves alot of grief. A stage 1 set up isn't going change much. Studies have been done that show where a filter may flow 10% more, however, if that 10% is never getting into the chamber then that particular filter is not flowing 10% more INTO the engine. It's marketing hype that folks don't always realize. But, if your VE's went down in some areas and the bike is running great the tool did it's job. As someone recently posted, his VE's changed less than 1% from a PV tune to a pro tune using the PV. That should be enough validation that PV does it's job quite well. Glad to hear your bike is running good with the PV tune.
Road Master
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 848
Likes: 30
From: CO
I think what most don't consider/realize is that stock tables are not 100% perfect. There's no way the VE's can be set up for different regions of the country, high elevation, low elevation, states with crap gas, etc. So the stock VE's are somehwere close and the ECM is expected to compensate for differences. So, your lower VE's are just what the bike wants for YOUR set of variables. Thus, a great running bike. The stock VE tables are in no way an accurate tool to use as a comparison. For the most part it's gee wiz information that means nothing. If folks would just trust the system and stop second guessing things they would save themselves alot of grief. A stage 1 set up isn't going change much. Studies have been done that show where a filter may flow 10% more, however, if that 10% is never getting into the chamber then that particular filter is not flowing 10% more INTO the engine. It's marketing hype that folks don't always realize. But, if your VE's went down in some areas and the bike is running great the tool did it's job. As someone recently posted, his VE's changed less than 1% from a PV tune to a pro tune using the PV. That should be enough validation that PV does it's job quite well. Glad to hear your bike is running good with the PV tune.
Intermediate
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 47
Likes: 1
From: illinois
Auto Tune Basic Question
I noticed while I am doing a basic autotune run I see NBF 0 and NBR 0 on the screen along with the VE+ etc. Does that mean there is an issue with my narrow band sensors?
Intermediate
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 47
Likes: 1
From: illinois
I assumed that was the meaning but when you do a basic auto tune isn't the whole a/f ratio table set to 14.6 and timing reduced 4 degrees across the board? Where is it open loop then? I get different results comparing basic mode and advanced mode tuning. My wide band sensors are fresh as are my NB ones. Just installed a Ful Sac DX pipe and trying to get it dialed in.
Road Captain
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 569
Likes: 0
From: USA
VE+ means the VE's are changing too fast. When you see that either back off the throttle slightly, or open it up a little. You should see VE+ disappear and the screen light up and start collecting data again. Just remember, the key is a slow and steady right wrist.
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A bit of Power Vision info today:
2015 Support Has Arrived! ..and more
Key Updates:
2015 Model Year Support
Calibrations for 2015 Models, including Street 500 and 750
Trip Center (Instant MPG, Trip A/B) support for software level 614 and 617 (2014 and 2015 Touring Models respectively)
Memory warning for extended logging, the Power Vision will warn you when you have 20% memory left
Support for software level 375
Supports streaming data from J1850 or HD-LAN models to Dynoware RT / Power Core
Added Autotune Lambda / AFR Signal support for Dynoware RT / Power Core Software
Be sure to use the Power Vision Update Client to get the latest firmware (PV_FIRMWARE-2.0.9-1439) and tune database (PV_TUNEDB-0.0.9.28).
2015 Support Has Arrived! ..and more
Key Updates:
2015 Model Year Support
Calibrations for 2015 Models, including Street 500 and 750
Trip Center (Instant MPG, Trip A/B) support for software level 614 and 617 (2014 and 2015 Touring Models respectively)
Memory warning for extended logging, the Power Vision will warn you when you have 20% memory left
Support for software level 375
Supports streaming data from J1850 or HD-LAN models to Dynoware RT / Power Core
Added Autotune Lambda / AFR Signal support for Dynoware RT / Power Core Software
Be sure to use the Power Vision Update Client to get the latest firmware (PV_FIRMWARE-2.0.9-1439) and tune database (PV_TUNEDB-0.0.9.28).
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Jamie Long / Fuel Moto USA
The USA's Leader V-Twin EFI & Performance www.fuelmotousa.com
Contact 920-423-3309
Email jamie@fuelmotousa.com
