Power Vision Information Thread
Road Captain
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: Shreveport,La
Map vs tps
Ok so I have been away for awhile. I just traded my 08 Ultra for a 2015 Limited and got a new license for my PV from FM. Brian sent me new maps for this bike for stock and stage 1 for when I add the AC and mufflers.
I was looking at the tunes in Winpv and see where now I have both TPS and MAP VE tables. This is new to me as my 08 only had TPS VE tables in it's tunes. In comparing MAP VE tables to TPS VE tables I see the numbers are very different. This has me confused. Why do I need to see the tables in both MAP and TPS? What is the top scale numbers on the MAP VE table? 10 through 100 of what? What does the 10 represent? Not 10% of throttle position.
I don't see the Closed Loop Bias table either. Did that go away?
Help me Stalljim61........LOL. I am lost again! This has changed a lot since I did my 08 and I almost feel like I am starting over.
I was looking at the tunes in Winpv and see where now I have both TPS and MAP VE tables. This is new to me as my 08 only had TPS VE tables in it's tunes. In comparing MAP VE tables to TPS VE tables I see the numbers are very different. This has me confused. Why do I need to see the tables in both MAP and TPS? What is the top scale numbers on the MAP VE table? 10 through 100 of what? What does the 10 represent? Not 10% of throttle position.
I don't see the Closed Loop Bias table either. Did that go away?
Help me Stalljim61........LOL. I am lost again! This has changed a lot since I did my 08 and I almost feel like I am starting over.
Last edited by Watchfuliz; Jan 2, 2015 at 08:41 PM.
Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,648
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From: Monroe, Louisiana
Ok so I have been away for awhile. I just traded my 08 Ultra for a 2015 Limited and got a new license for my PV from FM. Brian sent me new maps for this bike for stock and stage 1 for when I add the AC and mufflers.
I was looking at the tunes in Winpv and see where now I have both TPS and MAP VE tables. This is new to me as my 08 only had TPS VE tables in it's tunes. In comparing MAP VE tables to TPS VE tables I see the numbers are very different. This has me confused. Why do I need to see the tables in both MAP and TPS? What is the top scale numbers on the MAP VE table? 10 through 100 of what? What does the 10 represent? Not 10% of throttle position.
I don't see the Closed Loop Bias table either. Did that go away?
Help me Stalljim61........LOL. I am lost again! This has changed a lot since I did my 08 and I almost feel like I am starting over.
I was looking at the tunes in Winpv and see where now I have both TPS and MAP VE tables. This is new to me as my 08 only had TPS VE tables in it's tunes. In comparing MAP VE tables to TPS VE tables I see the numbers are very different. This has me confused. Why do I need to see the tables in both MAP and TPS? What is the top scale numbers on the MAP VE table? 10 through 100 of what? What does the 10 represent? Not 10% of throttle position.
I don't see the Closed Loop Bias table either. Did that go away?
Help me Stalljim61........LOL. I am lost again! This has changed a lot since I did my 08 and I almost feel like I am starting over.
You can twist the throttle from 5% throttle to 20% and the Map will jump all the way to 100% load then back off to 50% load as soon as the bike starts unloading.
The closed loop bias is now called closed loop bias lambda range. It is already set and no need to change that I have found.
I have my PV mounted and watch Throttle position and Map Kpa load and you will quickly learn the comparison.
If you want I will send you two maps with each set up. One will run TPS and the other will run MAP. Just PM me with your email address and what is on your bike and info as to what your bike is. I have a 14 limited and PV2 also. Have had three different exhaust on it. I mostly run the TPS, but can run either one.
Just noticed where you are. You are only 100 miles west as I am in Monroe.
Road Captain
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 716
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From: Shreveport,La
Thanks ke5rbd, that makes sense. I can see where map value would increase or even decrease at a faster rate over tps. I just looked at my FM tunes and they have the MAP VE tables turned on. They have the TPS tables in the tune, but they are inactive. I think I can see why the MAP tables would be much more valuable to the tune than the TPS table. Valuable may not be the best word for that, maybe accurate would be a better word.
I would love to see your tunes, if only to compare. I will send my email in an PM.
I come over to Monroe for the dealership I work for part time every so often.
The way this new 2015 limited runs off the showroom floor is so good I am not sure if I need to do much. I am adding the SE AC and SuperTrapp Fatshots (for sound mostly). I just want to get the VE's dialed in and I will probably call it good.
I would love to see your tunes, if only to compare. I will send my email in an PM.
I come over to Monroe for the dealership I work for part time every so often.
The way this new 2015 limited runs off the showroom floor is so good I am not sure if I need to do much. I am adding the SE AC and SuperTrapp Fatshots (for sound mostly). I just want to get the VE's dialed in and I will probably call it good.
Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,648
Likes: 37
From: Monroe, Louisiana
Thanks ke5rbd, that makes sense. I can see where map value would increase or even decrease at a faster rate over tps. I just looked at my FM tunes and they have the MAP VE tables turned on. They have the TPS tables in the tune, but they are inactive. I think I can see why the MAP tables would be much more valuable to the tune than the TPS table. Valuable may not be the best word for that, maybe accurate would be a better word.
I would love to see your tunes, if only to compare. I will send my email in an PM.
I come over to Monroe for the dealership I work for part time every so often.
The way this new 2015 limited runs off the showroom floor is so good I am not sure if I need to do much. I am adding the SE AC and SuperTrapp Fatshots (for sound mostly). I just want to get the VE's dialed in and I will probably call it good.
I would love to see your tunes, if only to compare. I will send my email in an PM.
I come over to Monroe for the dealership I work for part time every so often.
The way this new 2015 limited runs off the showroom floor is so good I am not sure if I need to do much. I am adding the SE AC and SuperTrapp Fatshots (for sound mostly). I just want to get the VE's dialed in and I will probably call it good.
Sent maps little while ago. We are having the La Hog Rally in West Monroe this year, hope to see you then.
Road Captain
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 601
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From: San Diego
The PV Gauge Screen can be configured to use any channel from the databus including Coolant Temp on Twin Cooled models. Here is some addition info:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycm4-KNGz14#t=165
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycm4-KNGz14#t=165
Road Captain
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 716
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From: Shreveport,La
Second AT run
Ok so today I got in my second AT run. I did a data log as well. Doing delta on my maps the VE's are really close in the areas I hit on the first AT. The only big changes were in areas I have not hit yet. I wasn't real serious with this AT as I had as of yet put on the SE AC. I do have the Fatshots on. They were so quite I added the last two plates to each and now have them with 12 disk on each. I put the AC on this evening after I got home have not rode it since doing that.
Tomorrow I put on my Krome Werks +2 bars. That will probably be all that gets done tomorrow.
I did data logs today and looked them over excel. I had no knock events on the front and 2* or less on the rear so timing seems to be pretty good for now. I had the ET up on the gauges and it ranged from 250 - 270 all day. I was running between 60 and 75 most of the day. That seemed a little high to me. When I checked the oil temp it was only 235 which is pretty much perfect.
Now that I have the AC on the bike I will be starting over dialing in the VE's. That is if the weather will cooperate. I am pretty happy with the way it runs now as it is. It doesn't have the down low grunt my highly upgraded 08 had, but from 3000 rpm on it sure does. I am hoping the AC will help with the down low grunt. Time will tell.
When I was getting the Log files off the PV I saw it had two PVV files on it as well. I don't remember seeing PVV files when I got the logs off of it two years ago when I was tuning my 08. Were they always on the PV after a AT run? I copied them to my PC and when I clicked on one it opened LT, but it didn't populate it. I am a little confused on that.
Well one step at a time. Tomorrow the bars.
Tomorrow I put on my Krome Werks +2 bars. That will probably be all that gets done tomorrow.
I did data logs today and looked them over excel. I had no knock events on the front and 2* or less on the rear so timing seems to be pretty good for now. I had the ET up on the gauges and it ranged from 250 - 270 all day. I was running between 60 and 75 most of the day. That seemed a little high to me. When I checked the oil temp it was only 235 which is pretty much perfect.
Now that I have the AC on the bike I will be starting over dialing in the VE's. That is if the weather will cooperate. I am pretty happy with the way it runs now as it is. It doesn't have the down low grunt my highly upgraded 08 had, but from 3000 rpm on it sure does. I am hoping the AC will help with the down low grunt. Time will tell.
When I was getting the Log files off the PV I saw it had two PVV files on it as well. I don't remember seeing PVV files when I got the logs off of it two years ago when I was tuning my 08. Were they always on the PV after a AT run? I copied them to my PC and when I clicked on one it opened LT, but it didn't populate it. I am a little confused on that.
Well one step at a time. Tomorrow the bars.
Anybody know much about the speedometer calibration?
I'm about to put a 68t pulley on, currently have a 66t pulley and a 2146 value for the pulses per KM. I'm unclear on if I need to increase or decrease the pulse value when I go to the 68t pulley. I know I'll have to play with it some, but I have no clue if more or less pulses will get my speedometer reading closer to correct. I know that just going to the 68t pulley is going to make my speedometer read faster than I am actually going.
Or in the off chance that anybody has a 103/ 6spd and a 32t drive pulley and a 68t rear and have adjusted for it I'll gladly take your value for a starting point!
I'm about to put a 68t pulley on, currently have a 66t pulley and a 2146 value for the pulses per KM. I'm unclear on if I need to increase or decrease the pulse value when I go to the 68t pulley. I know I'll have to play with it some, but I have no clue if more or less pulses will get my speedometer reading closer to correct. I know that just going to the 68t pulley is going to make my speedometer read faster than I am actually going.
Or in the off chance that anybody has a 103/ 6spd and a 32t drive pulley and a 68t rear and have adjusted for it I'll gladly take your value for a starting point!
Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,648
Likes: 37
From: Monroe, Louisiana
Anybody know much about the speedometer calibration?
I'm about to put a 68t pulley on, currently have a 66t pulley and a 2146 value for the pulses per KM. I'm unclear on if I need to increase or decrease the pulse value when I go to the 68t pulley. I know I'll have to play with it some, but I have no clue if more or less pulses will get my speedometer reading closer to correct. I know that just going to the 68t pulley is going to make my speedometer read faster than I am actually going.
Or in the off chance that anybody has a 103/ 6spd and a 32t drive pulley and a 68t rear and have adjusted for it I'll gladly take your value for a starting point!
I'm about to put a 68t pulley on, currently have a 66t pulley and a 2146 value for the pulses per KM. I'm unclear on if I need to increase or decrease the pulse value when I go to the 68t pulley. I know I'll have to play with it some, but I have no clue if more or less pulses will get my speedometer reading closer to correct. I know that just going to the 68t pulley is going to make my speedometer read faster than I am actually going.
Or in the off chance that anybody has a 103/ 6spd and a 32t drive pulley and a 68t rear and have adjusted for it I'll gladly take your value for a starting point!
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can anyone guide me in how to lean up my sartup enrichement? My afr upon start up drops to about 10.6 to 1 and it is almost stalling. I am breaking in the new motor right now and am running a accurate base map and it runs great except for my startup enrichement. I have not been able to autotune due to my break in. I am wondering if after I dial in my VE's if it will help this situation
Road Captain
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: Shreveport,La
I did two AT runs today. When I compared the VE changes from the original map the AT lowered the VE's mostly with a few VE's raised. Delta was -7.2 to +6.0 on the front cylinder on first AT run.
Rear cylinder -11 to +4.4.
Second AT Delta to 1st AT map got -6 to +5.5 front and -7.6 to +4.4 on the rear.
So the numbers are getting better with each AT, but the fact that they are going down so much from the original FM map surprises me. The bike is running pretty strong and when I looked at the logs I only had knock events when I really pounded on it one time and even then it wasn't high enough to not be adjusted for by the map.
I will do some more tomorrow to see if the VE's get dialed in. I know I am looking for no more than a 5% change in the VE's. Is that either way, + or -? In other words +5 to -5 in delta. I am getting old and can't remember since I did my last bike.
Rear cylinder -11 to +4.4.
Second AT Delta to 1st AT map got -6 to +5.5 front and -7.6 to +4.4 on the rear.
So the numbers are getting better with each AT, but the fact that they are going down so much from the original FM map surprises me. The bike is running pretty strong and when I looked at the logs I only had knock events when I really pounded on it one time and even then it wasn't high enough to not be adjusted for by the map.
I will do some more tomorrow to see if the VE's get dialed in. I know I am looking for no more than a 5% change in the VE's. Is that either way, + or -? In other words +5 to -5 in delta. I am getting old and can't remember since I did my last bike.