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Problem was my CFRs did not show up and the air cleaner which I ordered from FM never made it to my house. For some reason, it was returned to sender. As such, I installed the V&H dresser duals, but still have stock A/C and stock slipons.
I used the map that FM preloaded, but obviously it was set up for high flow intake and slip-ons that were more opened up. The bike is not running right, so I ran an Autotune session for 20 minutes and applied the new map. Now it is lugging at low RPM to the point where it feels like it is going to die out.
Should I revert to my original map while I await the air cleaner and the CFRs, or should I keep at Autotune? My fear is that the preloaded map for my original setup is too far off from what I am running now and AT will never close the gap.
For what it is worth, I know nothing about VE Tables and the such, so I am really relying on AT to dial this in.
Below are my VE Maps for front and rear cylinders:
From the numbers you are showing I would take a good look at the O2 sensor location. The front pipe O2 sensor is plugged into the GRAY plug and the rear cylinder O2 goes to the Black plug. Back is Black is easy way to remember. If it is like every other bike I have seen the plugs are reversed behind the side cover. The black one is in front of the gray one easy mistake. The only place it is in correct orientation is in the Service Manual. Bike should run fine with the map FM sent you. Even without changing the mufflers and air cleaner. The stock map would be very lean on the true duals at idle. Let us know if they are wrong.
Problem was my CFRs did not show up and the air cleaner which I ordered from FM never made it to my house. For some reason, it was returned to sender. As such, I installed the V&H dresser duals, but still have stock A/C and stock slipons.
I used the map that FM preloaded, but obviously it was set up for high flow intake and slip-ons that were more opened up. The bike is not running right, so I ran an Autotune session for 20 minutes and applied the new map. Now it is lugging at low RPM to the point where it feels like it is going to die out.
Should I revert to my original map while I await the air cleaner and the CFRs, or should I keep at Autotune? My fear is that the preloaded map for my original setup is too far off from what I am running now and AT will never close the gap.
For what it is worth, I know nothing about VE Tables and the such, so I am really relying on AT to dial this in.
As ke5rbd noted, looking at your VE tables there is about a 99% chance that your O2 sensors are mixed up front to rear. It is clearly showing in the image you posted that corrections are being applied to the wrong cylinder. Swapping O2 sensor is an easy error to make, we run into this several time per week while helping customers and have even found a handful of bikes that rolled out of the factory with them swapped. Double check sensor orientation and if you need any assistance whatsoever give us a call.
Also if possible post and image with the "deltas" between both maps, this will put things in black and white.
Yes, having the ability to create your gauges while connected to the PC or an external USB Power Source would be the preferred.
May be this has been answered already, If any of you were still wondering how to set up your preferences, get familiar with the PV ext. Without running the battery down on the bike. Dynojet provided this answer. How can I see the menus on the Power Vision, without the bike? The Power Vision has an option to see the menu items without using the bike. With the Power Vision connected to your computer, open WinPV. On the menu go to PowerVision > Diagnostic/Test Functions > Exit PC link mode. Click Yes. The Power Vision screen now looks like it would when connected to a bike.
May be this has been answered already, If any of you were still wondering how to set up your preferences, get familiar with the PV ext. Without running the battery down on the bike. Dynojet provided this answer. How can I see the menus on the Power Vision, without the bike? The Power Vision has an option to see the menu items without using the bike. With the Power Vision connected to your computer, open WinPV. On the menu go to PowerVision > Diagnostic/Test Functions > Exit PC link mode. Click Yes. The Power Vision screen now looks like it would when connected to a bike.
Now that is useful info. I have often wanted to be able to do that, but couldn't get out of my box and find out how. Thanks for the info.
Are there any people in the Houston area that can work with the PV-2? I'm having some problems with the autotune feature and I'm about ready to just pay someone to figure it out.
I have a Breakout with SE204 cam, 2 into 1 V&H and A/C. I'm experiencing popping on acceleration and deceleration, temperatures in excess of 270 degrees, and fuel milage is about 28-30mpg(I'm not sure if thats good or not). I have been using the base map that FM sent me but after the 3rd or 4th autotune I'm still experiencing the same issues.
Are there any people in the Houston area that can work with the PV-2? I'm having some problems with the autotune feature and I'm about ready to just pay someone to figure it out.
I have a Breakout with SE204 cam, 2 into 1 V&H and A/C. I'm experiencing popping on acceleration and deceleration, temperatures in excess of 270 degrees, and fuel milage is about 28-30mpg(I'm not sure if thats good or not). I have been using the base map that FM sent me but after the 3rd or 4th autotune I'm still experiencing the same issues.
Check your O2 sensor orientation as in the posts above. Same thing happened to me and the sensors were in the wrong pipes. Bike runs great after I swapped them.
I really hope they aren't switched. I'm going to be pretty mad if it came from the factory like this. Here are my VE tables
Would not be the first bike delivered with the 02 sensors in the wrong spots but seeing your mods, it probably didn't come from the factory that way. Pop your side cover off and follow the wires to the sensor. Black plug goes to the back cylinder.
Are there any people in the Houston area that can work with the PV-2? I'm having some problems with the autotune feature and I'm about ready to just pay someone to figure it out.
I have a Breakout with SE204 cam, 2 into 1 V&H and A/C. I'm experiencing popping on acceleration and deceleration, temperatures in excess of 270 degrees, and fuel milage is about 28-30mpg(I'm not sure if thats good or not). I have been using the base map that FM sent me but after the 3rd or 4th autotune I'm still experiencing the same issues.
Good idea to reach out for some help.. if your not computer savvy this process can be intimidating even to a strong mechanical rider. If I were in Houston I'd pop over and give you a hand, but maybe someone a tad closer can help out. Or a mechanic in town with a bit of knowledge of the PV.
Is it oil temps you are referring to that are +270'F? That's a little high and it would be nice to bring that down. Do you also have an oil cooler installed? The tune will help a little, but it isn't the end all on cooling.
28~30mpg is not so good on the mileage either, that will improve to high 30s or low 40s with typical riding. YMMV
On the Autotunes, have you figured out how to use WinPV and compare the previous tune to the Autotune and determine if you're in the recommended 5% or less change range?
Has Fuel Moto sent you a new map, or any suggestions regarding the decel/accel popping? That's a pretty common final tune adjustment but if you're not familiar with how to navigate around a PV and make adjustments, it can be intimidating.
Also, you are quite sure the pipe is installed well and no exhaust leaks anywhere? That sounds like an awesome ride and it will run wicked pissah once you get it dialed in, don't get discouraged.
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