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Old May 17, 2016 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by UltraNutZ
so what changed between this log of data and the previous?

can you show us a correlating image of your VE tables for this data log?
In looking closer at the numbers, it kinda looks like I just hit higher maps/rpm, but I could be wrong...I looked at the logged VE info, and from what I see it looks like I still need to autotune...but I have run countless AT runs...maybe 10 and I still have corrections? Here is the VE related to that last pic...I adjusted the map using these logs and Mytune and then took another long ride. I will post that in a moment..
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Old May 17, 2016 | 08:17 AM
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Here is the log from last nights ride after adjusting with Mytune.
From what I have read, that DCvsMxRPM "looks" pretty good.. no?
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Old May 17, 2016 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by adkg12
I see dutycycle used often but when I choose that, it asks me how many squirts per revolution. I would guess 1.0...is this correct?
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Duty cycle is the total usage of each injector 0 - 100%. Unless you have some large build or a bad injector (which would be shown in other areas) then you're duty cycles should be fine and well within spec.
 
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Old May 17, 2016 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Scooterbear
When I have looked at mine in MLVHD, my VE and VE New (F & R) are on top of each other. Which to me means I'm dialed in. I've actually had to turn one or the other off to see if they are both showing up.
I saw your post when you first put it up and figured one of the gurus might answer with a comment. I hate it when nobody does, so I'll try to at least comment... (not a guru).

If your VE and VE New are exactly the same then I'd question if you are actually running in closed loop. It seems very unlikely to me that there would be no differences at all as dynamic as the conditions are in a running engine. Ambient temp, barometric pressure, condition of the fuel and a bunch of other variables all contribute to what your VE's look like to the ECM.
 
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Old May 17, 2016 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by scooterbum46
I saw your post when you first put it up and figured one of the gurus might answer with a comment. I hate it when nobody does, so I'll try to at least comment... (not a guru).

If your VE and VE New are exactly the same then I'd question if you are actually running in closed loop. It seems very unlikely to me that there would be no differences at all as dynamic as the conditions are in a running engine. Ambient temp, barometric pressure, condition of the fuel and a bunch of other variables all contribute to what your VE's look like to the ECM.
This is kinda what I was thinking as well. But I didnt want to look anymore lost than I currently do! And this would explain why now matter how many times I log, or Autotune, theres always going to be corrections logged.. its just those corrections "should" be smaller...If I understand this correctly..

And from my understanding as well, DutyCycle X MAPxRPM should produce a tight scatter map on a "properly tuned" bike.. no?

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Old May 17, 2016 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by adkg12
This is kinda what I was thinking as well. But I didnt want to look anymore lost than I currently do! And this would explain why now matter how many times I log, or Autotune, theres always going to be corrections logged.. its just those corrections "should" be smaller...If I understand this correctly..

And from my understanding as well, DutyCycle X MAPxRPM should produce a tight scatter map on a "properly tuned" bike.. no?

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VE and VE New have nothing to do with whether you are running in closed or open loop.

Yes there will always be corrections between VE and VE new due to changing atmospheric conditions. If atmospheric conditions remain relativity constant then you should be able to correct VE changes to less than 5% with relative ease.
 
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Old May 17, 2016 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by adkg12
Anyone have any idea what that section in the middle is all about? It wasnt there on any of my prior maps/logs...
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If by "that section in the middle" you are referring to the red dots, that just shows a lot of hits in that MAP RPM area.
 
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Old May 17, 2016 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by J929626
If by "that section in the middle" you are referring to the red dots, that just shows a lot of hits in that MAP RPM area.
Good..! Thats what I thought after looking at the map closely. So its safe to say that my tune looks pretty good, based on MLV..?
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Old May 17, 2016 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by scooterbum46
I saw your post when you first put it up and figured one of the gurus might answer with a comment. I hate it when nobody does, so I'll try to at least comment... (not a guru).

If your VE and VE New are exactly the same then I'd question if you are actually running in closed loop. It seems very unlikely to me that there would be no differences at all as dynamic as the conditions are in a running engine. Ambient temp, barometric pressure, condition of the fuel and a bunch of other variables all contribute to what your VE's look like to the ECM.
I am running Target Tune, and this is what I'm seeing after completing about 3 AT runs. When I prepare to export, it shows I'm at 1%, and there will be one or two cells I hadn't hit before needing corrections. They are quite literally on top of each other then next time I ride and just "log" the data and view in MLVHD.
 
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Old May 17, 2016 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by adkg12
Good..! Thats what I thought after looking at the map closely. So its safe to say that my tune looks pretty good, based on MLV..?
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I would not say that. Based on the MLV screen in post 8541, it appears that your VEs are not dialed in, which has a negative impact on everything else.

After your AutoTune sessions, are you exporting learned values and then flashing that tune to the ECM? If not you aren't changing anything.
 
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