Yes it can and it will, but you will need a base map created specifically for the 57h cams. this is because there are hidden cam timing events set up in the base file that only Dynojet, FuelMoto, or another PV dealer can address.

If you buy from FM they will give you a decent starting map for your 57h cams.

 

Hey LA Dog, Long time no see,
I just took a look at S&S's site for ya, They used to have a lot of PV tunes, Now click on PV and it says, Coming soon. And a new exhaust disclaimer is up. Looks like they are going to do some house cleaning and removing non EPA approved BS
Glad I did NOT install them Power Tune Duals 'wink

 

Thanks Smokey- Hope the road has been treating you well. Not sure if the S&S site would be of much help with the Andrews 48h cams, but yes I totally saw that too. It is the same thing with Dynojet and the PV tune files database. There is nothing at all listed for bikes with cam upgrades, larger TB's, 107 upgrades, or anything beyond stock improved. It's pretty sad. It seems everyone is running scared from possible EPA or CARB related fines.
At least DJ will still email you a custom tune file for different cams. Or FM of course, if you bought the PV from them. No dice for me though I'm stuck with DJ only. ;p

I got the 48h cams installed today, new tune file loaded and will test start / ride tomorrow.

 

got some tuning runs in today with the 48h cams. there is no comparison, it runs stronger in all areas versus the 57h cams. but that goes to reason with the 48h cam's earlier intake close (29) keeping the compression up where it should be and coming on closer to 2k rpm.
I thought it might run out of steam up top but I was holding it WFO up through 5k rpm shift points, 4th, 5th, 6th and it was still pulling great as the speedo was walking past 100mph. that's when I let off. with a smile.

I'd expect the same good results from the 57h cam but only with a bit more compression added to the stock motor- e.g. running some .030 head gaskets. Or, if for some reason your stock motor is on the higher side of stock compression tolerances then you'd probably be ok with the 57h. For my stock motor, static compression, and tested dynamic compression after the 57h install, the 57h just bled off too much compression during operation to keep the grunt down low. this is due to the later intake close event of 42. the only fix here is to raise compression, get a 4 degree cam advance gear so the 57h's close the intake valve sooner, or get different cams that are already cut to close the intake valve sooner. I chose the 48h's because they had the better intake valve close specs I was looking for, along with the other good characteristics of a mild drop in performance cam.

For reference, the stock 103 cams have an intake close event of 30. As you close the intake valve later (larger number), the operating compression of the motor will become lower. This is ok with high compression motors and in many cases it is needed to keep operating compression within tolerable street build limits, but it can be 'not so good' with stock compression most of the time.

Anyway the 48's are staying in. Bike pulls like a monster now and it's plain obvious TQ went way up over the 57h. It's a seriously kick *** cam in a stock 103" and if the 57h is not doing it for you, give this one some consideration.

 

Also I hate to admit it but I had to rob a TTS tune file for some decent settings relating to the 48h cams in a 103 with 50mm TB. Truly horrific I had to resort to that.

Question: Why is it that FP3 and TTS are keeping pace with building custom base tune library files for cam and motor upgrades, but DJ PV is only keeping stock or stock improved tune files in the library? Is PV going "epa friendly" only now? Anyway it was rather frustrating having to again roll my own tune and cob it together, and get help from a different tuning product's files. Not a single cam upgrade tune file to choose from in the latest PV tune DB...

For example, the TTS tune file I referenced is a current one (mt9) and is for the 2016 Softail HO 103, with 48H cams, 50mm TB, 4.3 injectors, Cycle Shack slip-ons. There are ton of other engine modified tune files in the product library. I see this same selection of performance base tune files available for the FP3.

Why is DJ not making these types of performance upgrade base tunes available for current bikes? They used to back in the PowerCommander days, if you go back and look at that library you see a ton of cool motor combos, cams, heads, etc etc..

 

I can't speak for what DJ does, but I do speak with Steve Cole often and can tell you that he as spends a tremendous amount of time developing calibrations on his dyno. He'll tune a bike, change cams tune it again and repeat. I updated my TTS software Thursday and there's already tunes for just about every combination of HD parts for the new M8, (stock improved, stage 1, all cam options for the stage II's, and he even did the stage III 114" upgrade and created a tune for it) and now he's moving on to aftermarket exhaust and other things. DJ is scheduled to release their offerings tomorrow, hopefully they give us some tunes to start with instead of just giving us a firmware update that allows us to pull the stock tune out and build from there.

 

WOC- Yep that is all good stuff for a product mfr to do, keeps the product relevant and shows the customer that effort is put into the product with regards to performance applications.

I do like the Powervision it just seems to me there are no efforts with making a robust tuning library available or making it easy for the rider who wants to self tune his cam and engine upgrades.

Sure I got my bike dialed in- but- I sort of know what I'm doing. There is no way a average person who did not buy the PV from FM (and had their help available), could have done what I did today. And that is lame because I did not really do anything special. install cams. upgrade injectors. A/C, pipes. real run of the mill stuff.

Sure I got the new base file from DJ with 48h cam events quickly after I requested it, but that is where all help stopped. All they did was modify my existing 57h tune file only for the new cam events and sent it back. nothing else changed. It's sorta like - ok here is the requested change... good luck with that. lol

But granted there is what- one single person at DJ dedicated to helping with tune requests for the PV? that is nuts. there is no way that one tech person can help everyone or be effective.

the tune file would not have operated the bike successfully today if I had not massaged my own VE & spark tables, fuel related settings, etc. - and I had to reference another vendors product tune library in order to do that.

Not so good DJ- hope it shapes up and hope they are not cowering to the EPA / CARB regulators. DJ is after all, a mfr of some of the best Dyno machines right? And they don't have THE BEST AND LARGEST tune library for the PV? That is crazy. and stupid. ;p

That's the end of my complaint, hope it is heard and helps to make a better product. I'm hooked on the PV's TT wideband o2 tuning and real time engine operation- that is the cat's *****. fastest damn VE tuning ever, and accurate. I would not want to give that up.

 

I really do try not to bash the FP3, I have one, but what tune base are you on about?

 

^^ I'm not bashing the FP3, quite the opposite. Where are you inferring that I am bashing a product? I don't see it.

 

These are my tested results of the stock motor, with stock cams > then 57h cams > then 48h cams (which run the strongest across the board). just wanted to share it in case someone finds it interesting / helpful.

Engine tested April 26 2016 prior to cam upgrades:

• Static Compression Ratio @ 9.53:1 (HD specs call for 9.6:1 stock but there is always some mfr variance) Static compression ratio remains the same regardless of cams installed
• >> Stock cams (IVC @30): 187 F / 188 R CCP, 9.11:1 Corrected (Dynamic) Compression Ratio
• >> 57H cams (IVC @38): 181 F / 182 R CCP, 8.68:1 Corrected (Dynamic) Compression Ratio
• >> 48H cams (IVC @29): 188 F / 189 R CCP, 9.14:1 Corrected (Dynamic) Compression Ratio
• * CCP's based on altitude @ sea level