Power Vision Information Thread
Road Warrior
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From: Alorton, Illinois
Of the 2 tuning manufactures I have talked to about this. Either of them have been contacted. They both have advertised their products as off road use only, and are very careful about when they talk about road tuning to mention closed course tuning. They have been doing it this way for several years.
I do agree with everything you said about it. Especially the money and over stepping.
HD manufacturing motorcycles that have to be EPA compliant and then turning around and selling a device that takes away that compliance IMO is what raised the red flag. This is quite different than a manufacture that produces tuning devices for of road use only. With this same topic. I can't imagine it is only tuning devices either. Heads, cams, exhaust can make a bike noncompliant with the same stock calibration.
Funny thing is. If the EPA does affect this industry because of this. My option is to go work on things that use magnetos and leaded fuel. Crazy times for sure.
I do agree with everything you said about it. Especially the money and over stepping.
HD manufacturing motorcycles that have to be EPA compliant and then turning around and selling a device that takes away that compliance IMO is what raised the red flag. This is quite different than a manufacture that produces tuning devices for of road use only. With this same topic. I can't imagine it is only tuning devices either. Heads, cams, exhaust can make a bike noncompliant with the same stock calibration.
Funny thing is. If the EPA does affect this industry because of this. My option is to go work on things that use magnetos and leaded fuel. Crazy times for sure.
Road Warrior
Joined: May 2013
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From: Florida
I think it's actually HD that initiated the "Case" Using the EPA to force "buyers" back into the HD Service Dept's and buying EPA "approved" HD Screaming Eagle Mufflers, Air Cleaners, Tuners, etc ... 15Mil is a drop in the bucket to that market. If it trickles down and eliminates the competition it's a win/win for HD.Their products will get rubber stamped without any real science to back it up. Maybe I'm a bit cynical but thats the way Wall Street and Washington really work.
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Of the 2 tuning manufactures I have talked to about this. Either of them have been contacted. They both have advertised their products as off road use only, and are very careful about when they talk about road tuning to mention closed course tuning. They have been doing it this way for several years.
I do agree with everything you said about it. Especially the money and over stepping.
HD manufacturing motorcycles that have to be EPA compliant and then turning around and selling a device that takes away that compliance IMO is what raised the red flag. This is quite different than a manufacture that produces tuning devices for of road use only. With this same topic. I can't imagine it is only tuning devices either. Heads, cams, exhaust can make a bike noncompliant with the same stock calibration.
Funny thing is. If the EPA does affect this industry because of this. My option is to go work on things that use magnetos and leaded fuel. Crazy times for sure.
I do agree with everything you said about it. Especially the money and over stepping.
HD manufacturing motorcycles that have to be EPA compliant and then turning around and selling a device that takes away that compliance IMO is what raised the red flag. This is quite different than a manufacture that produces tuning devices for of road use only. With this same topic. I can't imagine it is only tuning devices either. Heads, cams, exhaust can make a bike noncompliant with the same stock calibration.
Funny thing is. If the EPA does affect this industry because of this. My option is to go work on things that use magnetos and leaded fuel. Crazy times for sure.
I was just on the HD Parts site. Most of the performance kits for the TC engines are now being listed as "Final sale. Non-returnable." Looks like they are clearing out the performance parts they believe do not meet CARB standards.
Those of you interested in these performance kits might consider your upgrades soon before they are no more.
For example: http://www.harley-davidson.com/store...ck-highlighted
Road Warrior
Joined: Jul 2013
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From: ny
I'm having some occasional pop through the pipe as soon as I pull in the clutch(decel pop?) to shift up 2nd-5th usually in the 2000-3000 rpm range.All bolts on the exhaust are tight with no leaks. The occasional pop happens more when riding 2 up. If I understand it correctly,if im wrong let me know,I would decrease,run richer, the numbers by 5% to 10% to start on the lambda table in the rpm range that i'm getting the pop, or should I decrease all numbers 2000rpm -6500rpm range
Thanks all
Thanks all
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Road Warrior
Joined: May 2010
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From: Kafar Hanusi
It is funny how the " Power Vision Information Thread " has lost the one item that should come into focus with the USG Vs HD settlement.
The EPA is enforcing the UN mandates to remove vehicles from roads by 2030.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.as...1#.V_4vGL_mZKo
or "Sustainable consumption and production" http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/sustainable-consumption-production/
or E-cars:
"The future of German cars is electro"
https://www.thelocal.de/20160929/gre...ergy-renewable
Not compelling enough? Ok.
I could add much more but you either get the idea or you don't.
The point here is the gear-heads are under threat, or maybe better put a dying breed.
Only 250,000 USD and up will buy you a real muscle car, and the bike is also on the endangered list, you may not agree but it is on the horizon.
When was the last time you saw a Prius and thought "wow, what a car"?
cheers,
.
The EPA is enforcing the UN mandates to remove vehicles from roads by 2030.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.as...1#.V_4vGL_mZKo
or "Sustainable consumption and production" http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/sustainable-consumption-production/
or E-cars:
"The future of German cars is electro"
https://www.thelocal.de/20160929/gre...ergy-renewable
Not compelling enough? Ok.
I could add much more but you either get the idea or you don't.
The point here is the gear-heads are under threat, or maybe better put a dying breed.
Only 250,000 USD and up will buy you a real muscle car, and the bike is also on the endangered list, you may not agree but it is on the horizon.
When was the last time you saw a Prius and thought "wow, what a car"?
cheers,
.
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Joined: Jun 2014
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From: 90210
^^ David, there is no way that battery-powered vehicles will replace combustion engine vehicles. this is because our battery technology is not very good and is nothing more than a band-aid. Most of us are all for finding clean forms of energy, but until we actually have a "discovery" that pulls us out of the dark ages both energy-wise and government-wise, oil and the companies who control it will always be a firm part of our roadway vehicle operations. to think otherwise is foolish. Our global economy is still far too dependent on oil and that must shift or be eliminated in lieu of a better option.
Personally I do hope we move into a new source and era of clean renewable energy but that still looks 50+ years away, at least. Not just technically, but politically as well.
PS where do you suppose they are going to dispose all of those old Prius (and other electric car) batteries? Toxic landfills in your back yard, anyone? We're just trading one evil for another with battery cars. Nothing too 'green' here to talk about.
I think the Powervision is set up optimally for today's and the immediate future's reality.
Personally I do hope we move into a new source and era of clean renewable energy but that still looks 50+ years away, at least. Not just technically, but politically as well.
PS where do you suppose they are going to dispose all of those old Prius (and other electric car) batteries? Toxic landfills in your back yard, anyone? We're just trading one evil for another with battery cars. Nothing too 'green' here to talk about.
I think the Powervision is set up optimally for today's and the immediate future's reality.
Road Captain
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 531
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From: Chile Flats, AZ
Degreeing the Cams
Originally Posted by
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this is because there are hidden cam timing events set up in the base file that only Dynojet, FuelMoto, or another PV dealer can address.[/i]
The best results require "degreeing" the cam(s) to ensure the best from the tune. The best builders/tuners do this before installing the cams and tuning. Just my experience.
Pro builder/tuners may well point out any errors in my experiences.
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Joe Kucinski
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From: 90210
This is a very critical event in making the best of a DIY tuning with PV! Any reputable builder/tuner will tell you that few (relative term) cams are precisely at their published timing events: exhaust/intake open/close.
The best results require "degreeing" the cam(s) to ensure the best from the tune. The best builders/tuners do this before installing the cams and tuning. Just my experience.
Pro builder/tuners may well point out any errors in my experiences.
The best results require "degreeing" the cam(s) to ensure the best from the tune. The best builders/tuners do this before installing the cams and tuning. Just my experience.
Pro builder/tuners may well point out any errors in my experiences.
Road Captain
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 531
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From: Chile Flats, AZ
Agreed- I still don't get it why DJ has not made this setting accessible to us, with ability to tune the correct parameters using logged data and the PV unit. Relying on one single person at Dynojet to make this change for you in your tune file and send it back is haphazard at best. You will never know if it is actually set optimally or not.
The only way to know for certain is to degree the cams before installing and tuning.