2018 M8----Sumping? Failures?
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I don't think we can say that. I believe VDeuce installed the Fueling pump and plate and that it resolved his sumping issues. But I'm also pretty sure I've read that there was at least one or two guys who installed the S&S, and had sumping, and called S&S on it, and S&S reportedly said something on the order of "we never promised it would fix sumping". That's all hearsay, but so far, that's all I remember hearing/reading about it.
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So just to change subject a bit. Is there any actually "verified as effective" fix for this, using any available parts (not taking any warranty consequences into consideration)? I thought I read somewhere that a S&S oil pump and cam plate is a 100% effective fix. Is that actually true?
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The definition of a liar and a thief can be found in the dictionary and it is plain and simple. Liars misrepresent true facts, thieves take what is not there's by right. Heatwave clearly meets those definitions as he lied about the situation and got many thousands of dollars worth of benefits as a result of those lies. I think the vast majority, if not 100% of normal people would agree that what HW did was very dishonest and swindled the manufacturer out of a large amount of money as a result and that HW was NOT entitled to compensation. HW also knows the truth, that is why he executed his failed attempt at deleted posts. That was not done for fun, that was done to deceive.
Those are the facts, and before you reply with the same nonsense, YES I BELIEVE THAT SUMPING IS REAL, but I also believe in personal integrity. I am very sympathetic to all people having problems and I feel very badly when I hear their problems continue. HD has a way to go to solve this issue.
Now stop it. You are on every single thread bashing HD and everything they make. Everything from the M8 motor, to the rotors, extending all the way to forecasting the demise of the company in the Livewire threads and pretty much denigrating everything HD builds or sells . Don't you get tired of all the negativity? If you hate this company so much why don't you go away and spend your time elsewhere? Are you ok? Where is all the hate coming from?
I for one very much enjoy the M8 section and the valuable sharing and discussion that happens here. You have pretty much poisoned every thread with your negativity an I have you on ignore yet still you derail every thread and steer it into the toilet. Like you did to this one. You have single handedly ruined this section for the rest of us. Moderators please stop this guy.
Those are the facts, and before you reply with the same nonsense, YES I BELIEVE THAT SUMPING IS REAL, but I also believe in personal integrity. I am very sympathetic to all people having problems and I feel very badly when I hear their problems continue. HD has a way to go to solve this issue.
Now stop it. You are on every single thread bashing HD and everything they make. Everything from the M8 motor, to the rotors, extending all the way to forecasting the demise of the company in the Livewire threads and pretty much denigrating everything HD builds or sells . Don't you get tired of all the negativity? If you hate this company so much why don't you go away and spend your time elsewhere? Are you ok? Where is all the hate coming from?
I for one very much enjoy the M8 section and the valuable sharing and discussion that happens here. You have pretty much poisoned every thread with your negativity an I have you on ignore yet still you derail every thread and steer it into the toilet. Like you did to this one. You have single handedly ruined this section for the rest of us. Moderators please stop this guy.
I shared facts about the Livewire compared with the competition along with everyone else and somehow I'm the problem?
I shared that my front rotors were warped in less than 1500 miles and replaced by my dealer.
I am not negative on Harley. I am open eyed about the facts and my desire to see Harley improve their products and become a great American company once again. Being a blindfolded cheerleader will not serve HD well IMO.
Its best for everyone to discontinue the personal attacks. It serves no purpose, just like trying to silence those you disagree with serves no purpose. The M8 problems will not go away because you silence those sharing their experiences.
Last edited by Heatwave; Jan 31, 2019 at 12:35 PM.
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I think it's safe to say, if HD had a fix for sumping, none of us would be here right now on this thread. We are all interested in the facts of what fixes sumping.
I'm guessing here....but it wouldn't surprise me to see Heatwave with a brand new M8 in his driveway had they redesigned the case/fixed the problem.
And no Tbob, I don't personally know Heatwave and I am not him. I do live 2 states up from him though. Hope that doesn't count.
I'm guessing here....but it wouldn't surprise me to see Heatwave with a brand new M8 in his driveway had they redesigned the case/fixed the problem.
And no Tbob, I don't personally know Heatwave and I am not him. I do live 2 states up from him though. Hope that doesn't count.
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There is a consumer that replaced his with the S&S pump and plate and it did not fix the sumping. He then replaced that with the latest HD pump and seal plate and it reduced the sumping from what the S&S did, to a point he could live with it. So while it was not 100% fixed in his case it appears as the HD pump and seal plate worked better than the S&S pump and plate. He goes by BigT if I remember correctly on the internet.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...ng-info-2.html
Post # 20 is particularly interesting for those following along.
Post # 20 is particularly interesting for those following along.
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I have to kind of agree with this. Its always been a warranty voidable act to flash a tune, or install a cat-less pipe, gut a cat, etc., as well as being the same violation of EPA regs, which I believe is actually a federal crime. This never stopped millions of HD owners in the past. Those who kept bikes bone stock were more likely the exception, then the norm. At least around here. Yet those who installed a aftermarket pipe, used a TTS or a FuelPack, or a Dynojet tuner, never had a problem rolling into a dealer and getting warranty repairs done on HD's dime, which while even though no one enforced or even cared about the modifications, the same "fraud" shall we say, was occurring. IMO at least.
I'm not taking anyone's side, it just seems to be a potentially hypocritical issue.
Maybe I'll get banned now too.
I'm not taking anyone's side, it just seems to be a potentially hypocritical issue.
Maybe I'll get banned now too.
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I think it's safe to say, if HD had a fix for sumping, none of us would be here right now on this thread. We are all interested in the facts of what fixes sumping.
I'm guessing here....but it wouldn't surprise me to see Heatwave with a brand new M8 in his driveway had they redesigned the case/fixed the problem.
And no Tbob, I don't personally know Heatwave and I am not him. I do live 2 states up from him though. Hope that doesn't count.
I'm guessing here....but it wouldn't surprise me to see Heatwave with a brand new M8 in his driveway had they redesigned the case/fixed the problem.
And no Tbob, I don't personally know Heatwave and I am not him. I do live 2 states up from him though. Hope that doesn't count.
- a redesign of the engine that kicks sumping and fluid transfer to the curb
- a reverse gear on their big touring bikes like BMW, Honda, and Yamaha
- an electrically adjustable windshield like all the other touring bike manufacturers
- a more powerful engine
- a more rigid, adjustable mono-shock touring frame
Last edited by Heatwave; Jan 31, 2019 at 12:36 PM.
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